Would steroids, along with the Hydroxychloroquinine/zpac help at all?

Patients stacked, ventilators fricked.

Steroids are bad for all viruses. It literally feeds them and makes them stronger.

They suppress your immune system so generally bad for infections.

My hospital was trying to get on the tocilizumab trial, but no openings.

And to add to the above, people that are given steroids are doing worse.

I’ve been wanting to write this for a while, and put it in its own thread: Plaquenil doesn’t work. In the 3 hospitals were talk to every day, plus us, we have all stopped using it. There’s been deaths from cardiac arrhythmias, and in one hospital, everyone that got plaquenil died.

In addition, those who take it regularly as part of RA or SLE treatment, are having worse outcomes (though idk if that’s due to then being unhealthy to begin with).

And since many are saying the side effects are minimal, there’s a 3% change of cardiac arrhythmia that can lead to death. The mortality rate of COVID is 1%. So, we would be hurting more people than we are actually saving,

AAS suppresses the immune system, but HGH strengthens it.

Put everyone on HGH.

You can call BS all you want, I’m reporting what is actually happening at these 4 hospitals (all level 1 centers).

And the official release by the American College of Cardiology says, “ several hundred million courses of chloroquine have been used worldwide making it one of the most widely used drugs in history, without reports of arrhythmic death under World Health Organization surveillance”.

I can tell you it’s false because we had an arrhythmic cardiac death.

*i am a critical care physician

Hold on I'll text aranda your suggestions.

Z-pak like HCQ also affects the QT interval of your heart and can lead to arrhythmias, but no one thinks it is generally dangerous because it isn’t, like HCQ isn’t. This idea that HCQ is some super dangerous drug when it is well tolerated by most people like z-pak is wrong, especially when taken short term.

Fatal arrhythmias or just arrhythmias because z-pak arrhythmias are also >1%

Interestingly enough, this pdf gets updated(and I have posted it about 2-3 other times), one talks about the data behind corticosteroids. Another shows data behind methylprednisolone (based on a single retrospective review from one hospital in Wuhan).

What we know:
In SARS and MERS, steroids didn't offer a survival benefit. In ARDS, they have been studied. Results are mixed at best

Specific to solu-medrol and COVID19, the group that got steroids in the one study referenced in that spreadsheet actually had a lower mortality rate.


Now, this Lancet publication which is just an observation , you can see if you scroll down to the table about treatments, 191 patients who were looked at. 54 of them died. 137 survived. 48% of the ones who died got steroids. 23% of the survivors got steroids.
This is where medicine and observations get confusing:
This data is what some of the "steroids aren't good for COVID19" comes from. But it doesn't tell the whole story. It is unclear if the ones who were going to die got steroids just because there wasn't much else to try and the patient was getting worse or the patients that got steroids died at a higher rate (well, both are true, but we have no hard evidence suggesting that steroids are what caused their demise). When looking at the other data (ventilator use, NIPPV, high-flow o2 use), I would tend to think the group that died was just plain sicker and that steroids were happenstance. But they're another treatment that is often used with little evidence to really support that they should be. At least in this case, there is no clear evidence of benefit with the exception of the one retrospective look where people who got them died less (and subsequently another study linked above where it shows that those who got them died more often).