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re: Would somebody please accurately quantify the HB1 numbers?

Posted on 12/30/24 at 5:49 pm to
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 5:49 pm to
SIAP-

The fact nobody can get a straight answer from any reliable source tells you all you need to know.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:15 pm to
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That’s a very rosy scenario linking multiple chains of events that at best is decades in the future.

It's kind of sad that so many think this is a rosy scenario, but at the same time they lament the open border, shitty/woke schools, politically active big business, and tens of millions of able-bodied Americans on government dole.

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Even assuming that comes to fruition, you have the foreign STEM degrees going somewhere else. What prevents them from developing the competing product(s) to our American ones?

Nothing, but why would that be a bad thing? It's precisely how things should be and would benefit everybody everywhere.

You don't think America could compete?
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 6:57 pm to
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Even assuming that comes to fruition, you have the foreign STEM degrees going somewhere else. What prevents them from developing the competing product(s) to our American ones?


Sweet baby Jesus.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 7:22 pm to
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the 65k cap is complete bullshite. They grant 2-3x that many NEW visas each year.


Possibly related to the uncapped H1Bs that are given to foreign students who complete a masters here.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 7:45 pm to
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Sweet baby Jesus.

While hilarious, it's not shocking to see a hoard of "America First" MAGA sycophants that have spent 8 years (rightfully) screaming for the wall to be completed and hating on all the truly weak arguments from the Left for the open border now switch sides and fully endorse the Left's narrative because Trump flip flopped on H1Bs.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 11:52 pm to
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Then they are no longer H1B visa holders. They are illegal aliens ineligible for work.


Yes, we should eliminate the H1B loophole for entry. Especially for nonskilled labor.

No, they are not all illegal aliens.
This post was edited on 12/30/24 at 11:53 pm
Posted by Knight of Old
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Posted on 12/31/24 at 3:21 am to
Posted by bigblake
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 12/31/24 at 5:38 am to
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Nothing, but why would that be a bad thing? It's precisely how things should be and would benefit everybody everywhere. You don't think America could compete?


How is it benefiting everyone everywhere? Are you talking about the United States, Europe, the world?

We don’t lead in every industry worldwide, and if we don’t allow in talented workers we might not lead in others.

Here’s a simple analogy that illustrates why your argument fails. Use LSU and athletes. Why doesn’t LSU just recruit from LA for all sports? Wouldn’t the LA high school athletes benefit from athletic scholarships to LSU?
This post was edited on 12/31/24 at 5:46 am
Posted by ewdij
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Posted on 12/31/24 at 7:34 am to
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the 65k cap is complete bullshite. They grant 2-3x that many NEW visas each year.


Possibly related to the uncapped H1Bs that are given to foreign students who complete a masters here.


Foreign students completing MS/PhD don't automatically get an H1B. That is a false statement.

Foreign students who start working for a cap-exempt employer, like an university, get cap-exempt H1Bs.

Foreign students completing MS/PhD do get OPT work-permits. Maybe you are confusing that with H1B.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:33 am to
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The advanced degree exemption is an exemption from the H-1B cap for beneficiaries who have earned a U.S. master's degree or higher and is available until the number of beneficiaries who are exempt on this basis exceeds 20,000. Congress set the current annual regular cap for the H-1B category at 65,000.


Nothing I said was incorrect.

Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
40379 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 4:48 pm to
No. You found the guy who isn't a racist bigot clown being manipulated by the media to attack LEGAL immigrants and give the media a new narrative to shut down Trump's agenda.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37090 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:29 pm to
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the formula has been to take over and jack the prices way up because people are willing to pay more for convenience. This causes companies in general to jack up their prices because they now know they can get away with it.

And that's how you get $2.35 40oz Sprites.
So...your problem is with the free market? IOW, you demand BELOW MARKET PRICES FOR YOUR JUNK FOOD??!?!

Cry me a river.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37090 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:30 pm to
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Quantify them from what time frame? From inception? Probably in the millions over the past 20 years.
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Bass Tiger


Thank you for the table...why are the numbers so much higher than the theoretical limits?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37090 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:32 pm to
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You don't think employers would force a come to jesus moment with politicians, and those politicians would start getting at least a little serious about education? It's not like you're arguing that Americans are too stupid to earn STEM degrees, right?
I don't know. Vivek made his remarks and people shite the bed.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
60600 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:47 pm to
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YOUR JUNK FOOD??!?!

The main point was that they're not here doing high IQ tech jobs. Eye on the ball, sport.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37090 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:52 pm to
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The main point was that they're not here doing high IQ tech jobs
You might want to compare notes with GoldenNugget. He's told the same sob story like 50 times across multiple boards about Indians infiltrating and taking over entirely his white collar space.

Also, do you have any numbers? Indians (specifically Gujaratis) have been running crappy motels here since the early 70s - particularly after a lot of them fled Idi Amin.

Also, any business ownership is difficult. They're not just "doing" the "low IQ" job of working at convenience stores. They're actually owning/running them. You even said it yourself when you blamed them for being free marketeers and pushing prices.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
60600 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:02 pm to
This has happened over the last few years. Eye on the ball.

You're a clown. You waited a day and a half to reply. What little bur was up your arse?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37090 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:06 pm to
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This has happened over the last few years.
Indians owning convenience stores happened over the last few years?

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You're a clown. You waited a day and a half to reply. What little bur was up your arse?
Apologies for having a life. Next time, I promise to be on your schedule. Especially since you're such an adorable little fella with his own catch phrase:
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Eye on the ball.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
60600 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:10 pm to
The point you keep missing is that it isn't the best and brightest, over the last 5 years or the last 30. Repeated assertions that it is by Musk and others is dishonest.

So yeah, eye on the ball, smarmy clown.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37090 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:34 pm to
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The point you keep missing is that it isn't the best and brightest, over the last 5 years or the last 30.
Do you have any data whatsover to back up this claim? I'd be shocked if Indian high school and college students weren't utterly dominant in nearly every measurable vs Americans.
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