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re: Would more people have lived if hospitals weren't so quick to put them on ventilators?
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:10 am to Hangover Haven
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:10 am to Hangover Haven
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Who murdered people?
If you're trying to defend the medical community for covid actions, you're going to lose.
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Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:10 am to stout
A classmate and friend of mine in his late 30's got put on a vent early because he had asthma.
They took him off it when his wife decided to pull the plug and let him die.
He then made a full recovery.
They took him off it when his wife decided to pull the plug and let him die.
He then made a full recovery.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:11 am to POTUS2024
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If you're trying to defend the medical community for covid actions, you're going to lose.
Many still try to do it.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:18 am to stout
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It seems like they were pretty quick to put people on ventilators despite this new claim.
Big COVID money had to be made. Hospital administrators were driving treatment protocols, not doctors. There was a MASSIVE incentive to get people on the vent. They needed to make those federal dollars. Hospitals made bank off of COVID.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:19 am to Smelder
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The Pts were drowning
WTF are you talking about....?
It was a micro-emboli issue...
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:20 am to EMAW2000
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A classmate and friend of mine in his late 30's got put on a vent early because he had asthma.
You need to give more details, not simply because he had asthma... With asthmatics we usually try not to intubate. It's an obstructive disease, if you put them on positive pressure ventilation it can be counterintuitive.
All the Poli-board medical experts downvoting...
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:34 am to Hangover Haven
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You need to give more details, not simply because he had asthma...
The guy had bad asthma our whole lives.
He went to the doctor with covid. The doctor decided he needed to go to the hospital.
The hospital put him on a ventilator and put him under for a month. He got much worse during that time.
Doctors said there was nothing else that could be done, pulled him off, took him off all the drugs and rolled him on his side.
Two weeks later my friend walked out of the hospital.
I don't know what other details you're looking for here.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:35 am to Hangover Haven
Do you edit all your posts?
No one is buying the white knighting for the medical community.
No one is buying the white knighting for the medical community.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:39 am to stout
Today's word is ... Iatrogenesis. I studied in way back in college.
It's causation of a disease, a harmful complication, or other ill effect by any medical activity, including diagnosis, intervention, error, or negligence.
Just from memory the rates of death are about 1,000 per year. You can't eliminate it but rates go up or down depending on what the 'in' thing is for hospital treatment.
The rates are not exact due to hospitals being very hesitant to admit blame.
It's causation of a disease, a harmful complication, or other ill effect by any medical activity, including diagnosis, intervention, error, or negligence.
Just from memory the rates of death are about 1,000 per year. You can't eliminate it but rates go up or down depending on what the 'in' thing is for hospital treatment.
The rates are not exact due to hospitals being very hesitant to admit blame.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:39 am to Hangover Haven
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It's a restrictive disease, if you put them on positive pressure ventilation it can be counterintuitive.
Thats my point...
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:40 am to stout
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They went after her hard for questioning anything and suggesting hydroxychloroquine was working and recent studies suggest that hydroxychloroquine did in fact work.
HCQ and ivermectin were blackballed because in order for BioNTech/Pfizer and J&J to maintain EUA status an alternative treatment could not exist if two criteria could be met: 1. It is an effective treatment and 2. It is distributable to the masses.
HCQ and ivermectin potentially met those criteria and were a threat to the vaccines’ EUA status.
Monoclonals were cure for the original strain of COVID and Delta but they did not meet the definition of distributable. So they were not that much of a threat to vaccine EUA status.
On a side note the FDA fully authorized Comirnaty but never really distributed it. Comirnaty did not enjoy the liability protections the other vaxxes did under EUA.
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 9:44 am
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:41 am to stout
I posed this question in 2021 and some douche kept arguing with me “you’re not a doctor!!!!”
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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Nothing is ever his fault. Y'all must hate Jocko's Extreme Ownership concept
And in your mind you’re the smartest and never wrong. What’s the difference?
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:55 am to stout
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This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 9:58 am
Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:05 am to stout
Does the study mention that if HCQ, ivermectin, zinc and a shitload of vitamins would have negated the "need" for vents?
In December 2022 my mother went to a hospital in Richmond VA. She had just recovered from covid, her symptoms were totally unrelated to covid. But the first thing they did was test for covid, tested positive, and they immediately gave her remdesivire and put her on a vent. THEN they did blood work and found out her problems had nothing to do with covid or her respiratory system at all and took her off the vent.
frickers got their covid money.
She died of a heart attack while locked up in a covid ward.
The Medical Industrial Complex doesn't give a shite about our health and can kiss my lilly white arse.
In December 2022 my mother went to a hospital in Richmond VA. She had just recovered from covid, her symptoms were totally unrelated to covid. But the first thing they did was test for covid, tested positive, and they immediately gave her remdesivire and put her on a vent. THEN they did blood work and found out her problems had nothing to do with covid or her respiratory system at all and took her off the vent.
frickers got their covid money.
She died of a heart attack while locked up in a covid ward.
The Medical Industrial Complex doesn't give a shite about our health and can kiss my lilly white arse.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:07 am to ragincajun03
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The initial treatment response to those with COVID seems to have been a complete blunder looking back.
Making someone lie down in a hospital bed, hardly doing any activity, meaning their breaths got shorter and shorter...buddy of mine who is an ER doctor said to me early on "If you get COVID, keep up your running in the morning routine".
His theory was large, deep breaths would aid in preventing the pneumonia bacteria from settling in.
same here. also told me to chew nicotine gum among other things.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:07 am to Night Vision
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Do you edit all your posts?
No one is buying the white knighting for the medical community.
Yes, when I add other statements...
No one is white knighting for the medical community... Were mistakes made, yes...It was a new disease we were dealing with, and once we realized how to treat it, we had less issues with people dying...
I've been a respiratory therapist for 34 years. I was knee deep in that shite for over a year at it's peak. I don't need a bunch of Poli-board Monday morning quarterbacks trying to tell me how shite should've been done.
All of y'all who think it was ventilators that killed pts are a bunch of idiots, those people would've died anyway. It's funny, you don't hear the stories of how many lives were saved because of ventilators.
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 10:14 am
Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:10 am to stout
Ventilators coupled with Remdesivir is what killed people......by design
Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:12 am to stout
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It seems like they were pretty quick to put people on ventilators despite this new claim. I remember this being the reported standard treatment if you went to the hospital during Covid. Did their rush to put people on ventilators cause Ventilator-associated pneumonia in some people who may have lived otherwise?
Now ask how many might have survived if hospitals allowed the use of ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine earlier in the process. What we know now, especially about ivermectin, leads us to the same issue that effective treatments were withheld for non medical reasons.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:19 am to EMAW2000
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He went to the doctor with covid. The doctor decided he needed to go to the hospital.
The hospital put him on a ventilator and put him under for a month. He got much worse during that time.
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I don't know what other details you're looking for here.
Your story is still very vague...
Like I said in a previous post, we just didn't intubate pts because of shits and giggles. Pts are put on vents as a last ditch effort to prevent them from dying.
Do you actually know how sick your friend was? Your details are very vague, you said he had asthma, and had covid, that's it. You would make a terrible Dr.
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