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re: ‘Worse Than Watergate’: ‘Shocking’ House Intel Memo Allegedly Reveals FISA Abuse
Posted on 1/19/18 at 8:55 am to Erin Go Bragh
Posted on 1/19/18 at 8:55 am to Erin Go Bragh
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Check the approval rate and get back to me.
You didn't read the article. ;-)
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 8:56 am to Decatur
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If any facts from the Dossier were included in an approved application then that means the FBI was able to verify them and the court agreed.
Honest question...was pissing on hookers in the dossier and was that used as part of the facts to get the warrant?
Posted on 1/19/18 at 8:56 am to Decatur
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Do you know what it takes to get an application approved?
A signature at the bottom?
Posted on 1/19/18 at 8:58 am to NYNolaguy1
Nunes and Ryan confirmed that it will be released.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 8:58 am to TigerDoc
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It aint easy getting a FISA warrant
Sucks he was among the 2% to ever get denied I suppose.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 8:58 am to Erin Go Bragh
If/when that happens, I’ll change my tune. I’m skeptical.
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 8:59 am
Posted on 1/19/18 at 8:58 am to mmcgrath
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Nixon's abuses are a fact. Obama's only exist in your mind.
The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.
Forgive me. I should have known that Obama the Magnificent could never abuse his power. That’s why we only vote for nice people who say nice soothing things. How could I have been so blind to his magnimity? My bad.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:01 am to Colonel Flagg
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The article doesn’t matter as the accusation is that the process was corrupted over this topic.
What's difficult for the public in this case is that we can't see all the evidence because the intelligence community protects classified information to protect sources and methods, so it remains vulnerable to bad-faith allegations. The IC doesn't want to burn sources knocking down BS.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:02 am to TigerDoc
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Applications are vetted through DOJ before going to FISA court and are routinely kicked back to FBI when they're found wanting of insufficient evidence.
What we are discovering is that the DOJ and the FBI, under Obama, was part of the problem.
Their vetting means little to nothing if they have an agenda to pursue.
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 9:03 am
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:08 am to roadGator
quote:Yeah
was pissing on hookers in the dossier
quote:Unlikely, as it probably hasn't been verified
was that used as part of the facts to get the warrant?
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:08 am to Erin Go Bragh
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What we are discovering is that the DOJ and the FBI, under Obama, was part of the problem.
Their vetting means little to nothing if they have an agenda to pursue.
But how have we discovered it if we don't have the evidence adduced?
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:12 am to TigerDoc
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routinely kicked back to FBI when they're found wanting of insufficient evidence.
Yeah thats total bullshite.
Between 2010 and 2014 not a single FISA application was denied.
In 2015, 1,457 applications were presented and 5 were denied. In 2016, 1485 applications were presented and 34 denied.
Just for 2015 and 2016, thats a failure rate of approximately 1.3%, and a success rate of 98.7%.
In your medical practice if something happens <1.3% of the time, do you consider that routine?
LINK
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 9:16 am
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:12 am to TigerDoc
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But how have we discovered it if we don't have the evidence adduced?
We have elected representatives who have read the report telling us this appears to be the case.
We have emails from DOJ and FBI personnel concocting a safety net plan if the unthinkable happens and Trump is elected.
We know the FBI wrote an exoneration declaration for Hillary before she and 17 other key witnesses were questioned.
We know the FBI allowed Hillary to bring her lawyer with her and chose not to put her under oath.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:16 am to NYNolaguy1
I know the statistics, but the appearance before a title III judge is just the last stage of the FISA process. Prior to that the FBI has to submit its applications to the national security division of DOJ where they submit it to Woods procedures and only bring slam dunk cases before the court.
The Guardian published that the government had initially sought a FISA against 4 Trump campaign officials and been rejected (a follow-up attempt seems to have been granted).
The Guardian
The Guardian published that the government had initially sought a FISA against 4 Trump campaign officials and been rejected (a follow-up attempt seems to have been granted).
quote:
The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (FISA) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The FISA court turned down the application, asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation.
The Guardian
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 9:19 am
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:18 am to Erin Go Bragh
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Applications are vetted through DOJ before going to FISA court and are routinely kicked back to FBI when they're found wanting of insufficient evidence.
The charge is that the DOJ and FBI are corrupt and acting illegally. You can't defend that charge by stating that the DOJ and FBI vetted the information.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:19 am to mwade91383
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Exactly, they actually talked about it. It MATTERED and they had to do damage control and spin.
What could possibly be different this time????
The WikiLeaks docs were public. Anyone could read them. It's pretty much impossible for even the DNC propaganda machine to ignore something that everyone has access to.
Only Congress has access to the memo at the moment. It is easy for the MSM to ignore. If the memo becomes public, then they will report on it & do their spin.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:19 am to TigerDoc
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routinely kicked back to FBI when they're found wanting of insufficient evidence
apparently not when Donald trump is the target, hence the rejection
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:20 am to TigerDoc
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Prior to that the FBI has to submit its applications to the national security division of DOJ where they submit it to Woods procedures and only bring slam dunk cases before the court.
Of course. Because otherwise those numbers could be "misconstrued" as having the FISA court rubber stamp everything given to them.
Those numbers are that high because the cases are that pressing and valid, not because the court simply does what its told, right?
You'll have to pardon me for not believing everything I am told.
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 9:22 am
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:20 am to chickenpotpie
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Only Congress has access to the memo at the moment. It is easy for the MSM to ignore. If the memo becomes public, then they will report on it & do their spin.
The sad thing is, you know they already have the spin written and ready to be fired off.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 9:20 am to moneyg
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The charge is that the DOJ and FBI are corrupt and acting illegally.
And you can prove the DOJ and FBI are corrupt how?
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