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re: Will "moderate" democrats move to Klobucher???

Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:01 pm to
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:01 pm to
Amy wants to end the electoral college and supports gov controlled health care.

Moderate?
Posted by SlickRick55
Member since May 2016
2729 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:02 pm to
Ahhh, there’s that word again. There’s racism, then there’s that ever so special “systemic racism”!!!
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Vero Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2005
26990 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:02 pm to
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How long are we going to cling to this idea that there is some huge wing of moderate Democrats?


The Democrats try to appeal to the base by moving left, and shame the moderates into ignoring their radical positions and voting Democrat by claiming that the Republicans are racist/homophobic/misogynistic. They don't need the socialists to believe the Republicans are racist to keep their vote. Only the moderates.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 12:03 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:03 pm to
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amnesty shite


This and healthcare are two issues the republicans have failed to lead on.

There is here in the 4th year of a republican president amnesty in practice whether in law or not. No one has articulated a workable solution. Everyone knows amnesty is going to have to continue as it is today because republicans can't be branded as supporting an official amnesty.

What do voters really want them to do??? What do you Mr. Wtodd want the government to do? Do you want to have to carry a citizenship card and have a domestic police force so large that every "illegal" is deported? Such a task would require government to expand so much I will never support it.

If they are working and paying taxes are not on welfare give them a green card today.

Healthcare??

The providers and insurance companies own both parties. We have to change the pricing model on healthcare and get the government out of the direct purchasing of services. We need more of voucher system of some sort that encourages us all to shop and creates real competition. Medicare is the leading cause of increased healthcare cost.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 12:03 pm
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154901 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:05 pm to
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Medicare is the leading cause of increased healthcare cost.


False. That would be preventable diseases.

Able


To



Prevent

Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:08 pm to
All of that is right of most democrats running today. They are all very left but some more left than others.

I think she has a shot at the Biden supporters, the Warren supporters, the unions and the older democrats.

There are piles of money looking for a candidate with her views.

Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62216 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:09 pm to
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Will "moderate" democrats move to Klobucher???
She is not in favor of medicare for all.

She is proposing mandated private retirement plans.

She doesn't want to completely roll back tax cuts.

For a democrat today she is pretty moderate.

Will the old guard rally around her? Watch the money.



Kloubucher is not and has not been running for the presidency. She's running for the Vice Presidency.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:09 pm to
Wrong.

Regardless of the disease Medicare pays too much to address it. What they pay becomes the floor for healthcare cost. Providers cannot take medicare and sell their services cheaper to anyone else. What do providers do? lobby to get more pay.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 12:10 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94838 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:10 pm to
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What do you


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want the government to do?


END the "get across the U.S. border" sweepstakes.

Aggressively pursue Visa overstays.

Punish and bankrupt (if necessary) employers who employ and support those here illegally.

END instruction in Spanish in our public schools.

END every possible voting, welfare, benefit form being in every language.

Aggressively pursue deportation for any illegal who so much as plays his stereo too loudly.

At least push to end birthright citizenship and chain migration.


End the freebies and make them feel as unwelcome as possible and we won't have to deport them. They will go back where they belong all on their own.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154901 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:11 pm to
Sorry. You are wrong. You’ll never admit it though because that’s just you.

The largest amount of healthcare is on preventable disease.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
36075 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:11 pm to
She is reminding me of Bill Clinton in 1992. Remember initially Bill Clinton was not really on the radar....even before Gennifer Flowers. Klobuchar has been hanging back, not saying much....and not spending money but accumulating it. She has let a lot of other names take themselves out like Harris and Booker and Beto. She is a tenacious campaigner....she likes getting out there.

She poses a bona fide threat now and I am thinking that dismissing her is a mistake. I think from a strategic move you take her out before Super Tuesday. I don't know that letting her obtain additional momentum is terribly smart, because she can attract the moderates, she does not come across as a whack job.Plus she represents Minnesota and the upper midwest an area crucial to victory

Take her out before California. A second place finish there magnetizes the Democrat donor class to her.

I think she can be a legitimate threat....don't screw around on this one, destroy her now.....seriously.

Bernie and Pete are a side show. Biden was a wet dream wasted in the night and Warren is crazy. Mini Mike could never withstand the beating Trump would unleash. Klobuchar can.....her baggage is minimal

Don't sleep on this woman. Take her out, brand her define her and start running against her starting on the 530 national news TONIGHT.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:13 pm to
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Sorry. You are wrong. You’ll never admit it though because that’s just you.

The largest amount of healthcare is on preventable disease.


You are correct about preventable diseases and how many they are BUT that does not mean there are not lower cost ways to deal with those diseases than what Medicare spends.

You are badly missing the point and will never admit it because that is just you.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154901 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:15 pm to
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there are not lower cost ways to deal with those diseases than what Medicare spends.


No shite. Better food choices and exercise are damn cheap.
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
4607 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:19 pm to
No
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
36075 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:23 pm to
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There are piles of money looking for a candidate with her views


That is the point. She must be marginalized before the big money decides and that starts after Nevada. If she comes in second in California the money coalesces around her.

Look, she's a Democrat and she is going to spout Democrat stuff. She is already becoming the MSM darling so they will gloss over her more radical stands

I make her the front runner starting now.

The Democrats are not going to let Bernie abd his cast of slacker idiots take control andthey don"t want tosee Pete slipping his husband the tongue on TV
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:25 pm to
Do your solution is that there is no medicare for preventable diseases? If one gets the flu but didn't wash their hands 4 times a day should that be considered preventable? If one gets in wreck driving over the speed limit is that preventable?

I will be happy to support ending medicare but I am not like you in supporting some bureaucrat deciding what aliments are covered and what are not based whether the ailment is preventable or not.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154901 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 12:32 pm to
Neither of those are in the top expenditures of preventable diseases.

Try diabetes at least.
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