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Why would a bacteria be considered life on Mars...

Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:54 pm
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:54 pm
and a heartbeat not be considered life on earth.

Saw that on a poster today.

Anybody want to give an answer?
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:56 pm to
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Anybody want to give an answer?



My answer is, that's a terrible analogy.
Posted by RTN
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:56 pm to
Is God a murderer if there is a miscarriage?
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:57 pm to
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Is God a murderer if there is a miscarriage?
What is the definition of murder? Not your definition. What is the legal standard for murder?
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:58 pm to
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My answer is, that's a terrible analogy.


Flag on the play...
Dodging the two-fold question...

5 yrd Avoidance penalty

Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:59 pm to
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My answer is, that's a terrible analogy.
Go on.
Posted by Dale51
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:00 pm to

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Is God a murderer if there is a miscarriage?



My answer is, that's a terrible analogy.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:00 pm to
Because they concede life and run to the personhood argument.
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:01 pm to
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God a murderer


frick that guy, right!

Technically, only in a Deus Ex world...not so in a world where you determine to the extent you can.


Posted by OBReb6
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:01 pm to
I hate abortion, but has anyone ever tried to claim a fetus is not “life”?

Plus we have no problem wiping out bacteria by the trillions.

shite analogy

Posted by RTN
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:02 pm to
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What is the definition of murder? Not your definition. What is the legal standard for murder?


I'm guessing you're looking for "intent"? My argument would be that there is no intent by the mother, but doesn't God do everything for a reason?
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:02 pm to
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I hate abortion, but has anyone ever tried to claim a fetus is not “life”?
Human life? There are many on this board who will not say that a fetus is a human life.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:04 pm to
I imagine that the distinction would be viability. If a bacteria is found on Mars, then we would assume that it has the nutrients readily available to reproduce, and would reproduce exponentially until its stationary phase (and then death phase). In this sense it would be viable. But in the same sense, the fetus would be alive, but the question of its viability would be whether it could survive outside the uterus, since fundamentally comparing the viability of a unicellular organism with a multicellular organism will always run into what an individual person considers viable. Given that human fetuses survive at a 90 percent rate after 26 weeks, but have survived at 23 weeks of gestation, albeit at a smaller clip, I would say that between 23-26 weeks is when a human fetus shows viability.

Posted by OBReb6
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:04 pm to
I’ve heard people say plenty of times they are not a person yet, but never heard anyone say it’s not “life”. Especially in the context of comparing it to bacteria
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:04 pm to
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My argument would be that there is no intent by the mother, but doesn't God do everything for a reason?
If a baby is miscarried, who said God did anything? If some guy gets drunk and runs his car off a mountain road and dies, did God kill him?
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:04 pm to
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Why would a bacteria be considered life on Mars and a heartbeat not be considered life on earth.


Why is a legal citizen not wanting his country overan with illegals considered a racists, but an illegal considered a dreamer?
Posted by Azkiger
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:05 pm to
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Anybody want to give an answer?


Pro-Choice people understand that the fetus/embryo/zygote being aborted is made up of living cells, they just don't think that the fetus/embryo/zygote in question has obtained "personhood" and therefore can be aborted.

It's not about life vs not-life, its about when is personhood granted? The moment of conception or some period after?

Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:05 pm to
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. Thirty-eight states currently recognize the "unborn child" (the term usually used) or fetus as a homicide victim, and twenty-three of those states apply this principle throughout the period of pre-natal development. These laws do not apply to legally induced abortions.
can anyone expain the logic of this?
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:06 pm to
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I imagine that the distinction would be viability. If a bacteria is found on Mars, then we would assume that it has the nutrients readily available to reproduce, and would reproduce exponentially until its stationary phase (and then death phase). In this sense it would be viable. But in the same sense, the fetus would be alive, but the question of its viability would be whether it could survive outside the uterus, since fundamentally comparing the viability of a unicellular organism with a multicellular organism will always run into what an individual person considers viable. Given that human fetuses survive at a 90 percent rate after 26 weeks, but have survived at 23 weeks of gestation, albeit at a smaller clip, I would say that between 23-26 weeks is when a human fetus shows viability.
Before viability, would you say that a fetus is a human life?
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:07 pm to
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Pro-Choice people understand that the fetus/embryo/zygote being aborted is made up of living cells, they just don't think that the fetus/embryo/zygote in question has obtained "personhood" and therefore can be aborted.

It's not about life vs not-life, its about when is personhood granted? The moment of conception or some period after?

Is the fetus a human life?
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