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re: Why Tribalism Took Over Our Politics

Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:25 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:25 pm to
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Did you happen to miss January 6?
You mean the claims an officer had his head bludgeoned? Claims which persisted despite fact for weeks, until that man was laid in state in the rotunda to forward the lie? or the claims that an unarmed US veteran was shot in "self-defense" as she scaled through an open portal? or the claims FBI did not HEAVILY infiltrate the J6 crowd? or claims Pelosi did not force the Nat'l Guard to stand down? or claims Trump called for riots? or claims that there was not a loophole in the EC protocol which could have theoretically allowed the VP to simply not open selected envelopes?

Those kind of unintelligent associations?
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 4:26 pm
Posted by davyjones
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Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:25 pm to
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and assure Democrat rule for the next 16-20 years

I’m afraid it’s going to be those with similar thought patterns as yourself who want so badly to poke their finger in Trump’s chest that they’re going to abstain from voting and let the Dems carry the day.
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467750 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:28 pm to
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but only insomuch as you simply haven’t fully realized or acknowledged the existence of your Trump hatred.



He's a politician. I don't love or hate any of them.

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it’s just not possible to produce that much negativity and acrimony at such a persistent pace and it not be fueled by much more than mere dislike or disapproval.




If this board woke up and stopped being a Trump echo chamber, you'd see my posts about Trump decline by like 95%. Since this is a Trump echo chamber, almost every topic is about Trump, so the responses will also be about Trump.

My personal preferences would be for the Trump topic to be banned completely from here, but, obviously, that's not going to happen. Me participating in the forum's primary (almost exclusive) discussion point doesn't show any sort of emotional response to that discussion point.

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And then you go on to declare that he’s so horrid that only the uneducated and lowest classes in our society could be so stupid and idiotic to not see what the enlightened classes above see with ease.

This is a bit of a strawman.

The ideals Trumpism projects aren't the people who support Trump. Now the cult? Getting closer to cooking with gas, there. Just look at JJ.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:29 pm to
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I’m afraid it’s going to be those with similar thought patterns as yourself who want so badly to poke their finger in Trump’s chest that they’re going to abstain from voting and let the Dems carry the day.


Make it his fault to personalize his out-group status

Life gets a lot easier and more rational once you accept Trump cannot win the Electoral College. It's a clarity that returns people to reality.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:32 pm to
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You mean the claims an officer had his head bludgeoned? Claims which persisted despite fact for weeks, until that man was laid in state in the rotunda to forward the lie? or the claims that an unarmed US veteran was shot in "self-defense" as she scaled through an open portal? or the claims FBI did not HEAVILY infiltrate the J6 crowd? or claims Pelosi did not force the Nat'l Guard to stand down? or claims Trump called for riots? or claims that there was not a loophole in the EC protocol which could have theoretically allowed the VP to simply not open selected envelopes?

No I'm talking about the tens of thousands of redneck illuminati who caused a riot.

But if you want to make a thread about those unrelated diversion questions, feel free. They don't belong in this discussion tree, though. Those questions are non sequiturs to my comment (in the form of a question).
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33007 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:33 pm to
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Trump was a result, not a cause.

Never ever ever his fault
Why the frick do you think Trump won in 2016?

Because of Obama’s divisiveness. No Obama, no Trump most likely.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467750 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:34 pm to
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Why the frick do you think Trump won in 2016?


Primarily because his opponent was one of the most detested and hated politicians of our lifetime, but he also provided an energy and a sense of something new, but that faded pretty quickly. Then came his mental decline
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170790 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:35 pm to
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he also provided an energy and a sense of something new, but that faded pretty quickly. Then came his mental decline


Yeah he's clearly not the same as he was in 15/16
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:37 pm to
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He passed some GOPE policies and failed at pretty much anything else
He exposed the swamp for what it is. That exposure set up the FBI and DOJ for a post-Watergate-style house-cleaning. It is no longer a matter of "if." It is a matter of when. Meanwhile, his predecessor established the most dangerous, unstable issue to face the country was Kim Jong Un and North Korea. Trump dealt with that quite effectively. He kept Russia quiescent. Forced monetary contributions to NATO. Foretold the Russian energy threat to Europe. Established the capacity for NA energy independence. Pushed through more reasonable tax policy. Etc.

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Couldn't even get the ACA repealed.
You're being ridiculous.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:42 pm to
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No I'm talking about the tens of thousands of redneck illuminati who caused a riot.
The ones with FBI credentials in their wallets.

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But if you want to make a thread about those unrelated diversion questions, feel free.
Not necessary.

I'm perfectly content to do it right here.

I'm content to call out your emotional targeting of J6'ers as unintelligent relative to the J6 related instances I cited.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467750 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:43 pm to
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He exposed the swamp for what it is.

By getting cucked by it and hiring a bunch of "Deep State" types to his administration?

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That exposure set up the FBI and DOJ for a post-Watergate-style house-cleaning

They're ineffectiveness and boldness is what did this. What exactly did Trump do in this process?

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Meanwhile, his predecessor established the most dangerous, unstable issue to face the country was Kim Jong Un and North Korea.

What the hell?

North Korea?

I could make a thread with your underlying premise but no answer and I doubt North Korea gets mentioned by a person who didn't see this exchange for 4 pages, if ever. And this board is Trump country

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Pushed through more reasonable tax policy

I already listed GOPE policies.
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
17002 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:45 pm to
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Here you go, all you lizard brain fools. Your brain is hard wired for hostility and conflict, and most of you are too prone to giving into your emotion to push beyond that initial response to get to reasoned debate and decency.



Surely you can see the contradiction in your own words.

Right?
Posted by sabbertooth
A Distant Planet
Member since Sep 2006
6078 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:46 pm to
Tribalism is an American political standard.
It was the primary cause of the civil war.
Dumbass senators went out to see the first battle of bull run as a spectator sport. Fun and games turn to chaos quickly as confederate artillery landed a round on their party. 619,000 dead soldiers later it was over. All because of self righteousness.
Today’s politicians are trying to drive the country over the same damn cliff.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467750 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:53 pm to
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The ones with FBI credentials in their wallets.



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emotional targeting of J6'e

Emotional?











Lot of FBI agents in those photos.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135804 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:56 pm to
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By getting cucked
Emotional terminology.

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They're ineffectiveness and boldness is what did this. What exactly did Trump do in this process?
He drew them in to the open, drew their fire, and exposed them just as surely as if he'd ripped the hoods off of Klansman.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467750 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 5:00 pm to
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Emotional terminology.

Jokes don't require emotions, bubba.

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He drew them in

Oh my god.

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as if he'd ripped the hoods off of Klansman.

Even assuming this fantasy was true, this all happened AFTER he lost the 2020 election.

The Durham report was released 2.5 years after Trump lost the 2020 election. Next you're going to frame it as Trump being a Jeuss-like martyr to expose them.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135804 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 5:05 pm to
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Jokes don't require emotions, bubba.
What is a joke designed to engender?
Let's try to keep the discussion factual, shall we?
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35176 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 5:12 pm to
I can’t help but have lingering reservations as to the effectiveness of an attorney who possesses such a overwhelming characteristic of dismissing and ignoring the technically equal possibility that his position may be wrong as much as it may be right. And that without question is the present reality. You’ve gotten so far ahead of yourself that it’s produced an unbecoming (and possibly unprofessional in a courtroom setting) tone of arrogance and condescension. If you refuse so intently to acknowledge that you may well have problems with a particular presentation, then how will you ever plan accordingly for contingencies in the event of case terminating adversity?

I guess for me it raises red flags. Maybe you just are so good that traditional concepts don’t apply. It’s not impossible. Perhaps we meet in the courtroom beyond the bar some day and clear up these uncertainties.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135804 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 5:12 pm to
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Even assuming this fantasy was true, this all happened AFTER he lost the 2020 election.
Comey-Mueller-Clinton and RussiaRussiaRussia would like a word.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467750 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 5:23 pm to
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What is a joke designed to engender?

A laugh based on the rational association of my words to associated references (experiences, memories, words, etc.)
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