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re: Why Tribalism Took Over Our Politics

Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:03 pm to
Posted by Houag80
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:03 pm to
Pick one. We'll wait.
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:03 pm to
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The Left has shown the media, academia, etc. were much smarter institutions to invest in, socio-politically.


The disparity in college degreed Democrats versus Republicans is a troubling trend. The Internet has blunted the media’s influence in a lot of way, I believe, but that liberal incubator of academia is a real concern.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:03 pm to
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you Christian hating progstain.


This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 4:04 pm
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:04 pm to
Lol you’re out of control bro. You’re on a runaway Trump hate train. Those “huge” losses in 18, 20, 22, “all on Trump.” Those things are never “all” on Trump or on any one President. Congressional elections are an immeasurable aspect of American governance all its own. If you will pause for a moment and reflect upon the extent of “moving pieces” within the the “entity” of Congressional campaigning and elections, both chambers, from coast to coast (and beyond).

Consider the moving parts when you combine any and all HOR elections in one single state for a given cycle, the influencers, the candidates, the donors, local big shots, state big shots, influence at the national level, local state and federal party organizations…..there are literally countless factors and aspects that each have some sort of influence on their own. Multiply that by every state and territory in that same cycle - to say any single person, even the President, has solitary capability to either claim the overall victory or the overall loss is asinine and naive.

**Does the President have influence in the matters of its own category, sure. But not nearly what you’re attempting assert. And I don’t think there’s any doubting a claim that the only reason you’ve run awry of rationality here is the jade of Trump.

Disclaimers: No offense intended; No I’m not an expert thus this is merely my personal opinion
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 4:06 pm
Posted by Houag80
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:05 pm to
Everyone laughs at you and your million posts. You were clever in the beginning...now just a joke.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:05 pm to
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A big part of this is that the right chose church as one of its primary institutions
You conflate faith, morality, church, and "institution"

They are related, but not synonymous.

For example the practice of law, journalism, or participation in academia all used to include their own morality, and honesty in approach. But those have disappeared from the field.
Posted by Houag80
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:06 pm to
Correct
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:07 pm to
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The disparity in college degreed Democrats versus Republicans is a troubling trend. The Internet has blunted the media’s influence in a lot of way, I believe, but that liberal incubator of academia is a real concern.

The REAL concern is that Trumpism's celebration of being uneducated and unintelligent is making that distinction even more clear, to create that educated out-group
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:09 pm to
Truly sad. I’d rather remain silent than to fall back on that lazy, mindless, melodramatic garbage.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:10 pm to
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The disparity in college degreed Democrats versus Republicans is a troubling trend.
More troubling is the disparity between college education and classic intellectuality, the removal of questioning from method, and the insertion of rote in its place.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:12 pm to
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You’re on a runaway Trump hate train.

I don't hate Trump

Trump was largely ineffective and has devolved greatly since 2016. The most important thing is that he's not really electable.

Facts and logic > emotion

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Does the President have influence in the matters of its own category, sure. But not nearly what you’re attempting assert.


His crazy and deceitful gang of MAGA candidates kept taking L after L. There is a reason there are only a handful in Congress right now after 7 years of MAGA.

They can win primaries and lose the general.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:12 pm to
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Trumpism's celebration of being uneducated and unintelligent
Where is the celebration of "unintelligent" in "Trumpism"?
Posted by KiwiHead
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:12 pm to
Trump is a frick up pure and simple who we destroy and delegitimize the Conservative movement and assure Democrat rule for the next 16-20 years
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468041 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:14 pm to
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You conflate faith, morality, church, and "institution"

I'm not talking about morality or faith. I'm talking about churches and the business of religion in America. Those are social institutions with only a slight relationship to faith or morality.

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the practice of law, journalism, or participation in academia all used to include their own morality, and honesty in approach. But those have disappeared from the field.

Well that's a big ole straw man
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:14 pm to
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Where is the celebration of "unintelligent" in "Trumpism"?

Did you happen to miss January 6? Easiest example to give. What about Q? Or the outright rejection of things like science? Or promoting ignorance via echo chamber?
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 4:16 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:15 pm to
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Trump was largely ineffective
That's false

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and has devolved greatly since 2016
Make your case

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he's not really electable
2016 called ... it wants its election back.

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His crazy and deceitful gang of MAGA candidates
Selective categorization?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468041 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:16 pm to
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Trump is a frick up pure and simple who we destroy and delegitimize the Conservative movement and assure Democrat rule for the next 16-20 years

They will never see, nor admit to this. They're too invested in a man at the expense of principles, rationality, or reality.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:17 pm to
Everything being politicized started with the internet, the 24hr news cycle but exploded with social media.

I have absolutely no idea what my HS and college friends' political leanings were. We pretty much never talked about it.
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 4:18 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
468041 posts
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:18 pm to
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That's false

He passed some GOPE policies and failed at pretty much anything else lasting past his term, basically.

Couldn't even get the ACA repealed.

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Make your case

Watch his shitty performances in the 2020 debates, his promoting of insane theories about the 2020 election, or his incoherent rambling on social media since. He lost his fastball. That's why he won't debate in 2023.

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Selective categorization?

They were huge losers in 2022 and caused the red tsunami to barely be a wave.

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2016 called ... it wants its election back.

That was 7 years ago and a few cycles.

2018 happened

2020 happened

2022 happened

All big losers for MAGA/Trump

The only major victory for the GOP post-2016 was Youngkin in VA who specifically cucked Trump and told him not to comes to VA
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 4:21 pm
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:22 pm to
As a fellow practitioner of law I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, but only insomuch as you simply haven’t fully realized or acknowledged the existence of your Trump hatred. And I’m not saying that hatred of Trump is unacceptable or anything else. That would be your prerogative. But the proof’s in the pudding - it’s just not possible to produce that much negativity and acrimony at such a persistent pace and it not be fueled by much more than mere dislike or disapproval. And then you go on to declare that he’s so horrid that only the uneducated and lowest classes in our society could be so stupid and idiotic to not see what the enlightened classes above see with ease.

You’ve got a dark heart right now, brother. Let us cast away those demons so that we may see a brighter day, not just for ourselves, but for the children as well. Do it for the children.
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