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re: Why should the people and taxpayers of America be bailing out poorly run states?
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:12 pm to Microtiger
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:12 pm to Microtiger
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In ALL CASES? Really, Trump?
ok then
90%
because it is either democrat governors or democrat mayors in red states
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Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:13 pm to David_DJS
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So 6 Rep governors and 4 Dems. I was expecting something more overwhelming given comments posted.
It doesn't have to be overwhelming to disprove "IN ALL CASES DEMOCRAT RUN AND MANAGED". If Trump didn't speak in absolutes maybe we could actually be talking about this with a hint of nuance.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:13 pm to David_DJS
I make no comment, just providing the information. I don't really give a damn about 'sides'
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:15 pm to Dawgfanman
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Why not make a statement and not some leading question?
Why answer questions directed at someone else if you're going to get upset about it?
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:16 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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I agree. Why do we bail out poorly run corporations?
Because corporations employ thousands of people and don’t pay them using tax payer money. Yes, tax payers may bail them out once in a blue moon, but it’s not like taxes will be continually funneled to these corporations. They can also do corporate bailouts in the form of loans where that will never happen if we bailout local, state, and federal governments.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:16 pm to Microtiger
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It doesn't have to be overwhelming to disprove "IN ALL CASES DEMOCRAT RUN AND MANAGED". If Trump didn't speak in absolutes maybe we could actually be talking about this with a hint of nuance.
the tweet was stupid and obvious meant to troll blue states and empower the red army. Saying he is open to a discussion when it's clearly not the case. Saying it's all blue this or all red that as some sort of extreme superlative is dumb, whether it's some post on this thread or a tweet from the White House. Or from someone red blue or in between
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:18 pm to Microtiger
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It doesn't have to be overwhelming to disprove "IN ALL CASES DEMOCRAT RUN AND MANAGED". If Trump didn't speak in absolutes maybe we could actually be talking about this with a hint of nuance.
Which Republican run states have asked for a bailout? Honest question - I've only heard about NY and IL.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:19 pm to Seldom Seen
More proof 
Actual welfare like food stamps
Some of these sites that people from Blue States like to post include Federal land , military bases and federal offices.
Those sites like to add that shite to slant the numbers.
Food programs and welfare (cash payment) , free clinics and Section 8 housing should be all that is counted.
Actual welfare like food stamps
Some of these sites that people from Blue States like to post include Federal land , military bases and federal offices.
Those sites like to add that shite to slant the numbers.
Food programs and welfare (cash payment) , free clinics and Section 8 housing should be all that is counted.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:20 pm to Microtiger
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I don't even disagree with Trump's statement until he says the unnecessary BS line "in all cases Democrat run and managed". In ALL CASES? Really, Trump? Is Mississippi well run?
I think it was a point signaling to states possibly not wanting to reopen in hopes of getting more federal funds. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:22 pm to 93and99
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Some of these sites that people from Blue States like to post include Federal land , military bases and federal offices.
Those sites like to add that shite to slant the numbers.
Food programs and welfare (cash payment) , free clinics and Section 8 housing should be all that is counted.
and Oakdale says, "Federal prisons"
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:22 pm to chateaublanc
quote:"Conservatives" screamed bloody murder when strings were attached to bailout money for the banks. It was proof that Obama was "communist".
Conservatives were not in favor of bailouts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:24 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I think it was a point signaling to states possibly not wanting to reopen in hopes of getting more federal funds. Nothing more, nothing less.
no way. The reference to the opposing party was politically calculated along party lines and to get people to have the discussion we're having here.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:24 pm to Seldom Seen
Simply put, if your state did not vote for Trump you should not be receiving aid.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:25 pm to 93and99
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Some of these sites that people from Blue States like to post include Federal land , military bases and federal offices.
Those sites like to add that shite to slant the numbers.
Food programs and welfare (cash payment) , free clinics and Section 8 housing should be all that is counted.
I was wondering about this. The federal government owns something like 65% of Alaska, 50% of Wyoming - they've got to spend money to manage their own property?
Also, I wonder about - take Wyoming as an example. Wyoming produces a shite-ton of coal, oil and gas, but those operations are owned by companies headquartered out of state. So funds sent to the federal government (taxes, fees, royalties) - do those go on the books as Wyoming's flow of funds to the federal government, or the home state of the companies that own the operations? Further, the income taxes paid on salaries for headquarters, R&D, etc. that aren't located in Wyoming - - - I'm guessing those aren't credited to Wyoming even though Wyoming is the ultimate source for those salaries.
I'd be shocked if the politically bent people/organizations putting these lists out have a clue on how to actually do it.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:25 pm to BarnHater
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Simply put, if your state did not vote for Trump you should not be receiving aid.
you're right. That is simple.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:28 pm to Seldom Seen
No
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:29 pm to Seldom Seen
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:29 pm to gthog61
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ok then 90% because it is either democrat governors or democrat mayors in red states
Okay, let's go by each state's credit rating, which is a pretty good indicator of whether or not they're in risk of bankruptcy. Illinois is the only state rated below A- (it's rated BBB- which is awful), but Illinois is a corrupt dumpster fire, so what's new?
Let's look at the other poor-scoring states, from worst to not as bad. These are all the states scoring below AA, which is both the average and most common score (top score is AAA; just look at the link above)
WORST
BBB-: Illinois (D state, D gov)
A-: New Jersey (D state, D gov)
A: Connecticut (D state, D gov); Kentucky (R state; D gov)
A+: Pennsylvania (D state, D gov)
AA-: Alaska (R state, R gov); California (D state, D gov); Kansas (R state, D gov); Louisiana (R state, D gov); West Virginia (R state, R gov)
NOT AS BAD
Before you even talk about Kentucky's, Kansas', and Louisiana's D governors, you know damn well those states have been a mess since before they were elected. Look at the credit history graphs going back years.
Also, consider the https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/12/07/best-and-worst-run-states-america-which-one-top-rated/926586001/ which incorporates credit scores heavily into consideration.
Do you want to give any metric or data or ranking at all to support Trump's nonsense?
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:32 pm to BarnHater
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Simply put, if your state did not vote for Trump you should not be receiving aid.
We seriously going here now? So we're not one nation, we're two sports teams, huh? And if your team loses, you get jack shite and aren't a citizen? This is a precedent you want to set?
Posted on 4/27/20 at 12:38 pm to David_DJS
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I'd be shocked if the politically bent people/organizations putting these lists out have a clue on how to actually do it.
They know what they are doing.
This has long been a Liberal talking point and people have fallen for it.
The welfare leeches are red states and blue states. It's not one sided.
But it's funny how blue state governments are begging for bailouts and not red state governments.
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