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re: Why is Trump playing hardball with Z but not Putin?
Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:29 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:29 am to crazy4lsu
quote:You don't know what you're talking about. You just don't. I know you don't realize that, but you should.
Do you know why they weren't altered for other Eastern European countries? Because at the time the requirements were put forth, it was thought to be far too much for those nations to actually meet those requirements.
quote:Technically nothing needed to be altered.
Again, what requirements should have been altered for Russia?
quote:No, but there are ways to ensure a balance. One is MAD. The other is the benefit of alliance, with the inherent risk of losing those benefits.
you believe that Russia should always get its way because they can burn the world.
quote:.... and then there would be no trees to see.
who can't see the forest for the trees ... because they can burn the world
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Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:32 am to NC_Tigah
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You don't know what you're talking about. You just don't. I know you don't realize that, but you should.
Is this the part of the conversation where I find the cables that say exactly what I suggest they say? How many times have I done that now? Because that is what the cables say.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:34 am to TackySweater
We have no leverage with Russia, other than bringing Ukraine to the table and/or lifting sanctions
Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:35 am to crazy4lsu
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There is a reality with regard to Russia and their behavior has shown they see us as an antagonist.
By “us,” do you mean the war mongers? If so, then okay.
However, Trump is not a member of that delusional group. As such the dynamics have changed.
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I've written far more about geopolitics on this board than I have about medicine.
Writing profusely about it doesn’t make you knowledgeable. It makes you an understudy to SFP.
Stick to viruses.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:36 am to NC_Tigah
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No, but there are ways to ensure a balance. One is MAD. The other is the benefit of alliance, with the inherent risk of losing those benefits.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:36 am to jimmy the leg
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By “us,” do you mean the war mongers? If so, then okay
No, as in the US as an entity.
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However, Trump is not a member of that delusional group. As such the dynamics have changed.
They haven't.
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Writing profusely about it doesn’t make you knowledgeable
Lol. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:44 am to crazy4lsu
quote:No C4L, this is the point where you go back, check your notes,and realize you conflated the Visegrad and Vilnius groups. Which in turn undercuts your contentions as to NATO ascension time, requirements, and complexity. That's where we are in this conversation.
Is this the part of the conversation where I find the cables that say exactly what I suggest they say?
Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:45 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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If I were going to invade the most powerful country on the planet, I wouldn't do it with my military.
Is that supposed to make sense? Could you translate?
Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:48 am to crazy4lsu
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However, Trump is not a member of that delusional group. As such the dynamics have changed.
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They haven't.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:52 am to NC_Tigah
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No C4L, this is the point where you go back, check your notes,and realize you conflated the Visegrad and Vilnius groups.
Nope, I meant the Visegrad Group. Hence why I made the 16 years reference. Because the origins of the groups outreach to the West can be traced to 1988 (the first year of a meeting between the Poles and the West) and ascension occurred in 2004. When did the PHARE program start?
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Which in turn undercuts your contentions as to NATO ascension time, requirements, and complexity. That's where we are in this conversation.
Lol no it doesn't.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:53 am to TackySweater
How the frick do you know what he said to Putin?
Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:55 am to jimmy the leg
Again, Russian nationalists see the US and the UK as their primary enemies. Unless we are also withdrawing from Atlanticism as a whole, I don't see how Trump's maneuvering to bring an end to this phase of the war (which will absolutely continue in other phases) will change that. If the Atlantic orientation of US politics does change, then maybe you would have a point. But nothing has happened as of yet.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 7:58 am to RollTide4547
quote:'If there is no enemy within, the enemy outside can do us no harm."
If I were going to invade the most powerful country on the planet, I wouldn't do it with my military.
Could you translate?
Unravel the threads of society to destroy its capacity for warfare.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:01 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Oh my.
Nope, I meant the Visegrad Group. Hence why I made the 16 years reference.
The Visegrad Group (Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, and Slovakia) attained NATO membership in 1999.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:05 am to NC_Tigah
Ah you are right. I confused their ascension to the EU with NATO. Still that process took 6 years before the invitation was extended in 1997.
This post was edited on 3/6/25 at 8:10 am
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:18 am to crazy4lsu
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Russian nationalists see the US and the UK as their primary enemies.
Nice deflection.
The US under Biden - yes.
The US under Trump - no.
Look, I get that you are autistic, and that impacts your ability to pivot away from your original thought. SFP has the same issue.
But if you think that Russia views the US under Trump in the same way that they view the US under Biden, then there isn’t much left to say.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:21 am to NC_Tigah
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NC_Tigah
I agree with what you posted. My point originally was that the left accuses President Trump of being Putin's puppet. I was saying that in Putin's shoes, I'd invade Crimea and Ukraine when my puppet (obama and biden) was running the USA.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:22 am to jimmy the leg
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Nice deflection.
Lol I'm taking them at their word.
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But if you think that Russia views the US under Trump in the same way that they view the US under Biden, then there isn’t much left to say
There is literally no evidence the Russians view the US any differently in the large, strategic sense. Certainly not as an ally. And what happens when Trump leaves office?
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:28 am to RollTide4547
quote:Right.
I agree with what you posted. My point originally was that the left accuses President Trump of being Putin's puppet. I was saying that in Putin's shoes, I'd invade Crimea and Ukraine when my puppet (obama and biden) was running the USA.
I was just clarifying what I think DB was saying.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 8:30 am to Seeing Grey
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And Russia is in a strategically stronger position.
This. Trump isn't the type to keep backing a losing hand. Everyone knew this was Russia's war to lose. So either Trump really wants to just end this and the volatility/costs it is causing or he is working for Putin. Those two options are really it
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