re: Why is India not a StarTrek utopia if they have millions of the worlds most brilliant engi

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Your only solution is to import our way out of the problem

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No, my solution is to stop creating jobs when unemployment reaches 5%.

I've posted this many times and no one gets it.. But in the real world full employment is around 5-5.5%

Anything lower requires immigrants and inflation. We're pushing crap jobs just to get the unemployment rate below 4% now. Most are worthless, menial or DEI.

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Then Indians can stay there instead of begging to come here.

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What about the smart, capable ones?

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But giving up on it by pushing what you have in this thread doesn't help bring that across.

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Im not pushing anything I am explaining why we suddenly ended up with mass immigration following Covid.

Growth at all cost will continue to require mass immigration.

The USA started sucking when we lost our committed foe, the USSR. Competition makes us better.

We need more competition, outside and within our borders.

They lie on their resumes.

The H1B grift goes like this - the H1B consultancy in the US run by Indians import Indians from India who have a undergraduate degree from an Indian degree mill.

The H1B consultancy then creates a fake resume for this imported Indian, claiming 7 years of experience.

The H1B consultancy then trains these imported Indians not on coding skills, but they train them on how to fool an American interviewer that they actually have 7 years of experience. They send them through a boot camp style program for 3-4 months to learn just enough to pass the interview stage.

The H1B consultancy gets these candidates hired on contracts, generally around 6 months on 1099(not W2). Say the H1B consultancy places these candidates for $50/hour, and the company hires them at that rate but only pays them the minimum of $27/hour, and the consultancy pockets the difference.

The reason they prefer 6 month contracts is that it usually takes about 6 months for the American company who got duped into hiring them that this employee actually sucks balls at their job. At that point the contract is not renewed and the H1B consultancy finds some other sucker company to take them on for a 6 month contract.

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Do you think the US would be better served if these individuals stayed in India and developed those companies there?

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If they are so great why does only the US and Canada seem interested in bringing them in?

Why isn't China beating down the door to import Indians by the gross, if bringing in Indians to work in tech jobs is so great?

It's the equivalent of only one college football program recruiting an area full of incredible football talent. Why isn't China getting in on the Indian action?

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And eventually, if not already, they'll want the h1b abuse to stop too. As it'll start to affect them or their future children negatively. Just like the American Latinos that want mass deportation of illegals.

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I’m actually surprised it hasn’t happened yet as they generally hate those from a different class.

The untraveled make it seem like America has a race and class problem but they have no clue how other countries do things.

Eventually the Americanized Indians will fall into two buckets: the Vivek high achievers that will come to hate having their wages under cut and the gov tit union types that are lazy and should be fired.

Time really is a flat circle and the same cycles happen all the time. It’s extremely hard to have high achievers generation after generation

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This is almost always used disingenuously,

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Its 100% true.

Yalls jobs fetish brings in crappy, low paying jobs that Americans will not work.

It would be a lot easier to get people to work if third world immigrants weren’t depressing wages.

Their culture is one of cramping as many people into a residence as possible and then they can continue to work for lower than normal wages. They have a life style that permits it if you eat cheap and live 10-12 a house you can work for half someone else does. First it affects the low wage jobs then the middle and then the high.

I think plenty of American college students are spoiled as frick with salary demands out of school but it’s also insane what companies can pay 3rd world immigrants to do or even cheaper keep them in the third world and pay them almost 0.

I know for a fact the Indian teams senior managers were paid less than what we would pay someone to work at a McDonald’s because I had access to the bill rates and was pushed multiply times to find things for the Indian teams to do. I always pushed I’d rather the interns do the work but the metrics said use India because they were cheaper.

On the counter, I know plenty of American born Indians that were elite at their jobs and they also hated the teams in India lol

Roger,

This a straw man here. Almost every thread complaining about Indian workers is tech based.

The problem is they are taking middle wage jobs and driving down wages and it’s crept into what should be high salary fields and they are depressing wages.

There are plenty of lazy Americans and the same Indians will eventually get rich raise spoiled kids and they will be the next fat spoiled lazy Americans.

It’s a cycle of access to cheap labor drive down cost increase profit. Until quality is hurting so bad that it starts to hurt the bottom line it won’t change. It’s the same for every field.