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re: Why I, as a populist, changed my mind on the Ukraine.
Posted on 4/7/23 at 11:48 pm to Tantal
Posted on 4/7/23 at 11:48 pm to Tantal
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Unfortunately, two of those blocking positions are in the yards of our allies (Poland and Romania). I give precisely zero fricks about that corrupt shithole Ukraine. I just don't want us in a shooting war with Russia over NATO allies.
Of all the stupid takes about why we should support the war in Ukraine, this is the dumbest.
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 11:49 pm to TigerAttorney
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Problem is, we are sending old shite.
That’s because all the good shite was left in Afghanistan
FJB
Posted on 4/7/23 at 11:51 pm to joydivision
OPs post count and join date
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Number of Posts: 171
Registered on: 11/22/2008
Posted on 4/7/23 at 11:51 pm to LuckyTiger
I think the Russia-China alliance came before the Russian incursion into Ukraine. Has it evolved based on the circumstances of the time, sure. But I think the general structure was Russia goes after certain benefits to be had from Ukraine that it’s been eyeing for a while, and China agrees to back it and support it in certain ways both immediately as well as if certain needs arise. What does China get in return? Of course an ally, obviously, but also a blueprint as to what to expect if they invade Taiwan and the best schematics to be gleaned, as well as wearing down NATO and the U.S. as much as possible to perhaps set up an ideal opening in which to strike Taiwan. Its ally Russia having also caused us to burn money and supplies.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:04 am to davyjones
China has an unquenchable thirst for well priced, consistently supplied energy and Russia has an almost limitless supply.
This conflict and our actions leading to it and during it accelerated and may have permanently altered geopolitical realities. If you read papers, docs, statements coming from Russia, it’s pretty clear they are planning on this shift as a permanent reality rather than a temporary one.
This conflict and our actions leading to it and during it accelerated and may have permanently altered geopolitical realities. If you read papers, docs, statements coming from Russia, it’s pretty clear they are planning on this shift as a permanent reality rather than a temporary one.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:05 am to BengalOnTheBay
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Of all the stupid takes about why we should support the war in Ukraine, this is the dumbest
Throughout the history of Russia, every invasion that they've ever had from their western flank has come through the Polish Gap and the Bessarabian Gap (Romania), which is why Russia continues to keep Moldova destabilized and stations troops in Transnistria. In WW2, Germany came through the polish plains while Romania came around the Carpathian Mountains through the Bessarabian Gap. These are the critical choke points that Russia needs to secure.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:12 am to joydivision
This is a war that WE created.
We wanted this. If that causes you hurt, then you're probably still a functional human being. Because this shite was not inevitable. It was chosen by us, for them.
We're the bad guys here.
We wanted this. If that causes you hurt, then you're probably still a functional human being. Because this shite was not inevitable. It was chosen by us, for them.
We're the bad guys here.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:14 am to joydivision
frick Ukraine. The war is only depleting OUR military. We would be fricked right now if we had to actually go into a real war.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:15 am to Captain Rumbeard
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This is a war that WE created.
We wanted this. If that causes you hurt, then you're probably still a functional human being. Because this shite was not inevitable. It was chosen by us, for them.
We're the bad guys here.
So kinda like beating your wife to prevent her from leaving you when you find out she enrolled in community college classes to get a degree and maybe leave you?
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:18 am to boosiebadazz
Kinda like nato wanted to be on Russia’s border but now Russia will be on nato border.
Another analogy is like you coming to this thread to be a smartass and you end up looking like a dumbass
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So kinda like beating your wife to prevent her from leaving you when you find out she enrolled in community college classes to get a degree and maybe leave you?
Another analogy is like you coming to this thread to be a smartass and you end up looking like a dumbass
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:20 am to JackieTreehorn
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We would be fricked right now if we had to actually go into a real war.
The only other potential rival is China. All we've given Ukraine is equipment, most of it older, to fight a land war (Javelins, tanks, Bradleys, etc.). If we go to war with China over Taiwan, that's going to be all Naval and Naval Aviation. We haven't depleted any of those supplies in Ukraine.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:22 am to momentoftruth87
I don’t think you know how borders work 
But say it again in Finnish.
But say it again in Finnish.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:24 am to joydivision
quote:Why do we need to do this?
We need this war to deplete the Russian military
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:27 am to Tantal
The pentagon recently ran a war game scenario to imagine a possible U.S.-China confrontation. The conclusion? America would run out of munitions, quickly. "This would occur in less than one week in a Taiwan Strait conflict." They concluded that "the U.S. industrial base is not prepared for a possible conflict with China."
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:29 am to cattus
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Why do we need to do this?
To keep them from pushing further west. Romania, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and now Finland are NATO allies. If they push there, we have no choice but to push back due to our treaty with NATO. I would prefer for this to end in Ukraine.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:31 am to JackieTreehorn
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The pentagon recently ran a war game scenario to imagine a possible U.S.-China confrontation.
That same war game scenario also showed us winning 20 out of 22 scenarios, with the only losses being with the U.S. being severely handicapped in the simulations.
That also has nothing to do with Ukraine. The land warfare munitions given to Ukraine would have no bearing on a naval battle with China.
This post was edited on 4/8/23 at 12:36 am
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:39 am to Tantal
quote:What gives you that impression? Everything I understand is that they would prefer some distance from NATO.
pushing further west
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:55 am to cattus
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What gives you that impression? Everything I understand is that they would prefer some distance from NATO.
The purpose for Russia is to push west to block the Polish Gap and Bessarabian Gap from which Russia has typically been invaded from the west. The goal is to push far enough west to block those strategic positions to give Moscow more breathing room. The Russians have never been particularly skilled at fighting wars. Their best weapons have always been distance, winter, and bodies to overcome their lack of tactical and strategic acumen. Think of WW2. Did Russia repel Operation Barbarossa due to military competence? No. They were constantly retreating, but slowly. Eventually distance, weather, and an inability to secure supply lines led to the Germans' downfall.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:59 am to joydivision
Well we could have tried being friendly with Russia. shite they offered us airspace after 911 but dumbfrick W decided to ignore the olive branch and put missiles in Poland (not sure which country). Everything was quiet and fine up until the DNC leak and Russia Russia Russia from Hillary.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:00 am to joydivision
That's a paid troll.
Start noticing this shite people
Start noticing this shite people
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