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re: Why don’t we embrace the gays?

Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:24 am to
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:24 am to
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Did you ever consider that you aren't the one to determine whether something is justified anger versus hatred?


Of course. Justification is irrelevant to my point, however. Letting go of hatred (justified or not) is a sure way to live a happier life.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:32 am to
Up until a few years ago, they were classified as mentally unbalanced.


Nothings changed
Posted by Balloon Huffer
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:43 am to
I don't think the right does not embrace the gays. I think gay sex is gross, but who cares, it does not affect my life in the least. Most are like me. I don't care if you stick your dick in a man's arse or a vacuum cleaner. Just keep that to yourself.

I agree with your points 100%. Gays should be republicans. But they sadly follow identify politics, and not what is best for them on an individual level.


Gay men have good jobs, pay taxes, are strong consumers..... sounds just like a republican to me....


Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:46 am to
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The gays are inherently MAGA as frick but we turn them away because Bible. Why?
Because God said so, and the anti-establishment God Emperor agrees.


Feel free to add any other mythical figures to the list.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:46 am to
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It is NAMBLA, pedophilia, and flaming their gayness every chance they get.


Full disclosure: I'm gay and I'd never heard of NAMBLA before you just typed that. Your, and others, assertion that gays have a higher predilection towards child abuse isn't supported by research.

There were multiple "studies" in the 70s, 80s, and 90s that tried to make the connection between homosexuality and child abuse, but since then, the research methodology for those studies has been discredited as fundamentally flawed which means the results are invalid.

It's a complex disorder with a lot of confounds that are very difficult to control for, and the sample size (thankfully) is small which creates a problem for studies as well. Child abusers rarely self-assign or claim orientation whether they abuse girls, boys, or both. Child abuse, like rape, isn't always sexual -- it's about power and control.

Recent research of gays with an abusive past indicates that there may a correlational relationship between being gay and being a victim of child abuse. But not the way you may think. Being a victim of child abuse does not make one gay, but boys who are more effeminate (non-gender conforming) tend to be victims at a much higher rate than boys who are conforming (more masculine).

More to your point about NAMBLA: after looking it up, that's repugnant. Child abuse is wrong regardless the circumstances, and any effort to further and mainstream any sex crime is wrong. Since 1979, it looks like the organization has tried to piggyback its movement to that of the LGBT movement, but prominent LGBT groups have repeatedly disavowed NAMBLA over the decades and barred them from representation at LGBT events.

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That is between them and their maker, if they believe such, and my maker if they don't.



Your maker and my maker are one and the same.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:49 am to
I'm generally curious as to how many of them are tired of being lumped in with the never ending list of people that get tacked on to their LGBTxyz "community"


I've had a gay poster here tell me he hates all that shite and that, despite what the media says, gays are an extremely privileged group.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
27341 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:49 am to
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I agree with your points 100%. Gays should be republicans. But they sadly follow identify politics, and not what is best for them on an individual level.


Gay men have good jobs, pay taxes, are strong consumers..... sounds just like a republican to me....


You'd be shocked at how many gays are single issue voters, and are very happy to vote against their own best interest in several ways to satisfy just one.
Posted by TX Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
37699 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:49 am to
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Your maker and my maker are one and the same.
bullshite, my God could beat up your God any day of the week and twice on Sunday (while he's resting).

Furthermore, anyone who doesn't agree with me are the only people who break laws and are pervs.

Just trying to keep up with the other geniuses in this thread.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
73118 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:50 am to
i don't care about gays. have your marriage and thus insurance, benefits, etc that every man/woman married couple receives. that's awesome.

but keep what you do in the bedroom out of my face. me and my wife don't flaunt our heterosexual-ness in your face. so don't throw it in mine. and don't get upset that i'm not championing anything you bring to the table in that regard. simple as that. it's all i ask for.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
27341 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:52 am to
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I'm generally curious as to how many of them are tired of being lumped in with the never ending list of people that get tacked on to their LGBTxyz "community"


I've had a gay poster here tell me he hates all that shite and that, despite what the media says, gays are an extremely privileged group.




It was me.

I do hate it. I don't want to be the poster-child for any movement...especially that of child abusers. What I do in my bedroom with another consenting adult is our business. Don't tack your special interest du jour to my life.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:54 am to
I love you, man.

Toddy can E14BODs though.

Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:56 am to
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It was me.


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I do hate it. I don't want to be the poster-child for any movement...especially that of child abusers. What I do in my bedroom with another consenting adult is our business. Don't tack your special interest du jour to my life.

So what percentage of your group of gay friends and acquaintances feel the same way you do? Is it a common thing to feel the way you do? Are people in that "community" afraid to publicly break away from the herd mentality?
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
27341 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:57 am to
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I love you, man.


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Toddy


Unfortunately, Toddy and his views represent the majority of the LGBT community. Some of us are fighting the good fight though!
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154573 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:58 am to
How can we support you against their hate?
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
27341 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:04 am to
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So what percentage of your group of gay friends and acquaintances feel the same way you do? I


It's a low percentage unfortunately, but the pendulum is swinging our way.

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Is it a common thing to feel the way you do? Are people in that "community" afraid to publicly break away from the herd mentality?


I mentioned above that in my larger social circle, there are about 5 or 6 conservative gays who have reached out to me over the years because I'm unabashed in my conservatism and being a proud gay man -- the two are not mutually exclusive as the left would have the masses believe. Anyway, these 5 or 6 guys are petrified to come out as conservative for fear of backlash. It's real and unless you are willing and able to man your guns when politics get brought up (i.e., a lot by the gays), you will get eaten alive. So for some it's best to remain quiet unless you're willing to take on that fight.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:05 am to
Who is not embracing them?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138083 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:07 am to
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I mentioned above that in my larger social circle, there are about 5 or 6 conservative gays who have reached out to me over the years because I'm unabashed in my conservatism and being a proud gay man -- the two are not mutually exclusive as the left would have the masses believe. Anyway, these 5 or 6 guys are petrified to come out as conservative for fear of backlash. It's real and unless you are willing and able to man your guns when politics get brought up (i.e., a lot by the gays), you will get eaten alive. So for some it's best to remain quiet unless you're willing to take on that fight.

That's so odd that people who are always talking about the struggles of "coming out" actively bash those that have to "come out" once again.

You always hear that Trump is trying to "take away the rights of LGBT people", but what do they legitimately think he has done or what he's planning to do?
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
27341 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:07 am to
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How can we support you against their hate?



Just don't fall prey to the fringe elements on either side. We're coming along, just slowly. Since Trump has been elected, I've actually had some thought provoking discussions with some liberal gays who are honestly curious, and who've admitted to trending more right.

My "gay agenda" is 100% MAGA.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:09 am to
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Why don’t we embrace the gays?



Define embrace...
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154573 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:10 am to
I just can't see the evidence that Trump or most Republicans for that matter can be seen as attacking gay rights.


I have a gay aunt and she was convinced that Trump was going to crush gay rights. It was weird.
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