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re: Why does the word “nationalism” carry negative connotations?
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:30 am to white beans
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:30 am to white beans
Why are peanut butter and jelly sandwiches racist? Who the frick knows what triggers lefties
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Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:45 am to white beans
Nationalism requires war.
Trade war. Economic war.
Like most wars.
Resources. Trade routes.
WTO globalism makes war a non starter.
The presumption of prior unity makes nationalism a logical fallacy.
Not-two = peace
Trade war. Economic war.
Like most wars.
Resources. Trade routes.
WTO globalism makes war a non starter.
The presumption of prior unity makes nationalism a logical fallacy.
Not-two = peace
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:51 am to ShortyRob
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Are you just playing Devil's advocate or do you actually support such a thing?
I would love for other countries to willingly adopt our constitution/become part of the US.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:52 am to bmy
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I would love for other countries to willingly adopt our constitution/become part of the US.
Liberals love regime change but then claim they dont
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:53 am to white beans
Because those persons/entities whose political power is threatened by it say so.
And they just so happen to be in control of most of the media and education apparatus.
And they just so happen to be in control of most of the media and education apparatus.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:54 am to SDVTiger
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Liberals love regime change but then claim they dont
Idk about that but I'd love it if you learned to read
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:31 am to bmy
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I would love for other countries to willingly adopt our constitution/become part of the US.
I'm a fan of the U.S. but I think this is very short sighted. No nation in the history of the world has remained mostly decent forever. And, nations rarely fail without going down swinging or taking at least a few casualties along the way.
Just like there USED TO BE merit to having 50 theoretically somewhat sovereign states, there is merit to having some diversity of nations.
Sure. It would be awesome if they all adopted generally western approaches to governing but as big a fan of the US as I am, I am NOT a fan of ONE WORLD or mostly one world govt regardless of the form.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:44 am to white beans
Because of WW2 and Nazis.
Conveniently the Socialist part of National Socialist German Workers Party is ignored
Nobody admits rampant nationalism in the US and Great Britain is why we won the war. Many sacrificed a lot for the war effort to ensure victory
Conveniently the Socialist part of National Socialist German Workers Party is ignored
Nobody admits rampant nationalism in the US and Great Britain is why we won the war. Many sacrificed a lot for the war effort to ensure victory
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:46 am to Friscodog
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Because supporting your nation regardless of the terrible atrocities they commit is wrong.
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You do realize that this nation has done more "good" and does more than any other nation on this planet right?
Unfortunately, he doesn't know that.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:47 am to white beans
Honestly it’s because nationalism preaches the distinction between Us vs The Other. It’s inherently non inclusive, and when used in European terms, leads to ethnic and racial tensions.
In America, if preached as strictly citizen versus non-citizen and race, ethnicity, and religion are ignored, nationalism is nothing it a good thing.
I firmly believe there is nothing wrong with wanting American politicians and government officials to make decisions that have Americans as the primary beneficiaries.
In America, if preached as strictly citizen versus non-citizen and race, ethnicity, and religion are ignored, nationalism is nothing it a good thing.
I firmly believe there is nothing wrong with wanting American politicians and government officials to make decisions that have Americans as the primary beneficiaries.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:51 am to bmy
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Why's that?
Because the rest of the world doesn’t like “hate speech”, guns, and sees no problem allowing government intrusion into their lives.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:56 am to IslandBuckeye
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Because nationalists are patriots.
No.
A square can be a Rectangle, but a rectangle may not be a square.
Patriotism means being proud of ones nation. That's it. It doesn't matter how you feel about others.
Nationalism specifically requires that you feel your nation is superior to others. A patriot can believe there nation is equal in greatness to others and not be a contradiction.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 10:57 am to white beans
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Why does the word “nationalism” carry negative connotations?
European wars of the late 18th-19th-early 20th century kinda left a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 11:01 am to white beans
George Orwell's "Notes on Nationalism": LINK
Posted on 6/21/19 at 11:08 am to deltaland
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Because of WW2 and Nazis.
Conveniently the Socialist part of National Socialist German Workers Party is ignored
Nobody admits rampant nationalism in the US and Great Britain is why we won the war. Many sacrificed a lot for the war effort to ensure victory
Its acknowledged that the Nazi party had a centrally planned economy. But they had alot of Capitalism as well. They used it whenever it was needed for their war effort. Nobody talks about IBM and Ford helping the Nazis to balance your point.
Their government was fascism. It takes the stances of right wing governments and puts an authoritarian force behind them. And jingoism (an extreme form of nationalism) is required for it to work.
We won the war due to superior logistics, more men, better supply of resources, battle tactics that technology that were good enough,MORE OIL etc.
Nationalism played a role, but its supplementary compared to everything else I just mentioned.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 11:26 am to CelticDog
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Nationalism requires war.
Trade war. Economic war.
Like most wars.
Resources. Trade routes.
WTO globalism makes war a non starter.
The presumption of prior unity makes nationalism a logical fallacy.
This is false. You can have nationalism and free trade where both countries benefit by trading what they can produce in surplus and importing what they cannot.
Globalism is where international entities gain control over a nations sovereignty and that nations laws. Someone from Saudi Arabia in the UN does not know what is best for the US for example.
And current trade practice that are governed largely by the WTO (globalist entity) are heavily unfair to the US and allow developing nations to use tariffs against us and basically utilize slave labor.
I would support free trade on both sides if both sides eliminated tariffs and abided by similar safety, environmental, and quality regulations combined with decent wage laws for workers. This can be done as independent trade deals between sovereign nations rather than a global trade entity.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 11:32 am to white beans
groupthink instead of independent freethinking.
example... If your country thinks killing people with red hair should be done and you agree with that because that is your country's policy... that's why it is bad.
example... If your country thinks killing people with red hair should be done and you agree with that because that is your country's policy... that's why it is bad.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 11:33 am
Posted on 6/21/19 at 11:33 am to Friscodog
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You do realize that this nation has done more "good" and does more than any other nation on this planet right?
Outside of your exaggeration, that's why I'm patriotic.
Patriotism is not nationalism.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 11:35 am to LSUconvert
Name a country that has never committed atrocities. Now that we have established none exist, not being patriotic because of atrocities committed can be eliminated. Else, no one can be patriotic.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 11:36 am
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