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re: Why do you believe the intelligence community has been against Trump
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:27 am to CelticDog
Posted on 2/15/17 at 11:27 am to CelticDog
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What deep water usa port was sold to china? How did state dept make the call on sale? How do you sell a port, anyway? Is this some brietbart fantasy or just misleading post?
The Long Beach Naval Station. Do some simple research.
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:54 pm to JLivermore
quote:Weeks to months. And that has less to do with intentional foot-dragging than natural bureaucratic inertia and the need to adjust collection, investigative, analytical, and research priorities. The three-letter boys and the military have something on the shelf for nearly every contingency, but peripheral or deemphasized issues don't have a lot of manpower put against them, and their policies and plans might be 3-5 years old or older.
1) How long do you think it would take for existing members CIA FBI etc to adjust to new policy and direction?
quote:Typically, little. The career folks who make up the vast majority of the federal govt are accustomed to a turnover in executive priorities every eight years, at most. It's always an adjustment, but there's always something from the not-too-distant past to draw upon. Most don't take most things personally.
2) How smooth do you think the transition would be, trickling down from the top brass to the rank and file? How much resistance and/or staff turnover?
But I will say that I work in the most conservative-leaning federal department (DoD) and this president just raises a lot of concerns with a lot of people--uniformed and otherwise. Obama did, too, but I was in the fleet when he was elected. Different crowd. I imagine the beltway was much more comfortable with him.
Mattis does a lot to quell the unease with this admin, but there is a lot of uncertainty right now..
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:57 pm to omegaman66
quote:The Chinese tried to lease it(lease, not buy). It was ultimately cancelled. It's now leased to an RoK company as far as I know.
The Long Beach Naval Station. Do some simple research.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:59 pm to Strannix
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Because the IC is 100% blue blood establishment types from the old ivy league cabal,
They really are.
Skulls type fricks. GH Bush types, Rockfellers - Rothschilds, globalist neo-con type west who are about 1. Profit and pop control and more control.
It's really creepy how they recruit and its all from the same schools and same "associations".
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:04 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Because the IC is 100% blue blood establishment types from the old ivy league cabal,
They really are.
alternatively they have seen enough to suspect trump of treason and they doesn't fly with them.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:05 pm to tigerskin
Trump's enemies in the IC will make shite up if they have to. Trump needs to go scorched earth on them. Totally clean house.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:08 pm to tigerskin
quote:Just elements of the IC, not the entire thing.
Why do you believe the intelligence community has been against Trump
the entire time?
They need a Russian enemy. They want a Russian enemy. In many cases a Russian foil justifies their existence.
Trump might threaten that.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:09 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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They really are.
Skulls type fricks. GH Bush types, Rockfellers - Rothschilds, globalist neo-con type west who are about 1. Profit and pop control and more control.
It's really creepy how they recruit and its all from the same schools and same "associations".
Yeah, all 750,000 went to Ivies and/or were born to Bushes, Rockefellers, and Rothschilds.
You guys are paranoid goons who watch too much TV. Trump is floundering because he doesn't know how to manage his government or hire people capable of helping him--not because of the IC.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:10 pm to Navytiger74
quote:So not because he's a traitor colluding with Russia like these people claim he is.
You guys are paranoid goons who watch too much TV. Trump is floundering because he doesn't know how to manage his government or hire people capable of helping him--not because of the IC.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:10 pm to tigerskin
They haven't been hell the FBI went out of the way to blow up fake scandals and the like to try and take down Hillary.
Now the foreign side is against him but presumably that's because they detest traitors and think Trump is either turned or an unknowing dupe.
Now the foreign side is against him but presumably that's because they detest traitors and think Trump is either turned or an unknowing dupe.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:11 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Trump's enemies in the IC will make shite up if they have to. Trump needs to go scorched earth on them. Totally clean house.
this just won't happen, as they are vital to national security. imagine if a terrorist attack happens right after it starts?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:11 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Yes.
So not because he's a traitor colluding with Russia like these people claim he is.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:13 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:meh. The people making these leaks are the anylysts that never leave their cubicles. The real spooks are out in the field and will still go to work everyday regardless of whether or not the nerds in DC are still there.
this just won't happen, as they are vital to national security. imagine if a terrorist attack happens right after it starts?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:15 pm to Navytiger74
To be totally honest- Manafort, Carter Page, Flynn and to a lesser extent Tillerson- the first 3 raise huge flags to a lot of people in the greater FP community not just the IC.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:16 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:And replace hundreds of thousands of years of intelligence experience with Bengal, Flynn, JJdoc,and Kellyanne Conway?
Trump's enemies in the IC will make shite up if they have to. Trump needs to go scorched earth on them. Totally clean house.
Tapper's using his mouth against him right now, FWIW. Maybe he should get his shite together. The whole country suffers when the president is flailing about.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:19 pm to montanagator
quote:State and DoD (our main foreign policy arms) are a part of the IC. CIA and NSA are our principal collectors and CIA is the legacy head of US Intelligence (DNI is the formal head now) but the IC is much bigger than the ones you hear about in the news. The FBI is a part of the IC.
To be totally honest- Manafort, Carter Page, Flynn and to a lesser extent Tillerson- the first 3 raise huge flags to a lot of people in the greater FP community not just the IC.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:21 pm to Pettifogger
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you know who is really fricking good at extralegal activities
NSA? CIA? FBI? Yes.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:21 pm to Navytiger74
quote:Which makes all this pearl-clutching from the Trumpkins extra funny. The IC giveth and the IC taketh away.
The FBI is a part of the IC.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:22 pm to Navytiger74
quote:Im of the opinion that we're not really losing any key capabilities. I'm willing to bet these leaks are from bureaucrats and "analysts" who really don't actually contribute other than making power points and prof reading reports. The real spooks have better shite to do than make shite up about Russia and Trump
And replace hundreds of thousands of years of intelligence experience with Bengal, Flynn, JJdoc,and Kellyanne Conway?
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:23 pm to Iosh
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The IC giveth and the IC taketh away.
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