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Why do we give so many protections to migrants who claim amnesty in bad faith?

Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:39 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:39 am
While I am nowhere near a fan of Trump's overall immigration plan, I will say that these idiotic defenses of illegal behavior via "amnesty" are so much worse. These migrants are economic migrants who also are fleeing failed narco states. None of their claims of amnesty are legitimate and the only reason they claim amnesty is to take advantage of international immigration agreements. If these people were honest, they would never be allowed into the United States (or Mexico, vicariously).

So why do so many leftists promote the ruse that these actions are legitimate? They're so illegitimate that the people engaging in the behaviors intentionally lie about their reasons. They're effectively the immigration equivalents of women who make false rape claims. These people muddy the waters, overload the system, and deny migrants who have actual, legitimate amnesty claims their day in court.

If people who oppose Trump won't acknowledge the extremely negative behaviors of the majority of these migrants, they're also engaging in bad faith. Their entire argument is based on, effectively, a lie (that these people have a right to see asylum in the US) which decreases any validity of the remainder of their argument.

Any more leftist-leaning posters on this board want to defend the mass populations using loopholes (their favorite buzzword) to frick over actual asylum seekers? What do you propose we do to thwart these assholes from improperly using our laws meant to protect actual asylum seekers?
Posted by GeorgePaton
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:56 am to
.......because after forty-six years of legalized abortion the demoncrats have aborted a sizeable portion of their voter base AND they desperately need more voters. So the demoncrats are more concerned about recruiting more migrant voters than the safety of our citizens. Violent crime committed by migrants and illegals is skyrocketing but thanks to the liberal media we don't hear about it.

.....and get this when (and if) they ever get total power again they're going to take away your ability to defend yourself against these demons.

Posted by CDawson
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:58 am to
Why do illegals have more protections under the law than citizens?
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:00 am to
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Their entire argument is based on, effectively, a lie 


That's been the MO of leftists/collectivists from time immemorial.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:03 am to
"It's who we are."
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:03 am to
i posted this in the other thread but it's applicable here

this is leftists re: false asylum claims:

Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:04 am to
This entire thread is based on lies. Immigrants do not have more rights than citizens. The limited rights of asylum seekers are set by law. We either follow our own law or we change our own laws. But you don’t get to ignore laws just because you are a Republican or just because a tv entertainer suggests that’s what we should do.
This post was edited on 6/23/19 at 9:05 am
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:06 am to
Exactly.


The left is like a Terminator.
It just goes on destroying and it won't stop until it is dead.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:06 am to
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This entire thread is based on lies. Immigrants do not have more rights than citizens.

i didn't say that. some dumbass said it

quote:

The limited rights of asylum seekers are set by law. We either follow our own law or we change our own laws. But you don’t get to ignore laws just because you are a Republican or just because a tv entertainer suggests that’s what we should do.

yeah i said there are laws and they're subverting these laws by claiming asylum in bad faith. they're lying.

why are you promoting this sort of behavior? it's screwing over actual asylum seekers and clogging our immigration system
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:07 am to
I’m confused. Do you mean people seeking asylum or amnesty?
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:08 am to
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This entire thread is based on lies. Immigrants do not have more rights than citizens.


Who said immigrants have more rights than citizens?
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:08 am to
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We either follow our own law or we change our own laws


There is a premise in the law that asylum applicants act in good faith.

That premise is false.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:09 am to
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Who said immigrants have more rights than citizens?

one idiot. 3rd post. and it was in the form of a question
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:10 am to
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yeah i said there are laws and they're subverting these laws by claiming asylum in bad faith. they're lying.


Then you hold whatever reviews the law requires and carry out the ruling. If there is a backlog, here more hearing officers.
Posted by lsu13lsu
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:10 am to
I think it has more to do about globalism than anything else. People think it is about voters etc and that is probably also true but the end goal is globalism and you cannot have that if the US is big on nationalism and borders.

Then that is where the ends justify the means.
This post was edited on 6/23/19 at 9:11 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:11 am to
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Then you hold whatever reviews the law requires and carry out the ruling. If there is a backlog, here more hearing officers.

you do realize how insane you sound, right?

you're punishing actual asylum seekers to bend over backwards for those exploiting the system based on lies

and you're promoting using excess resources because a mass of liars are exploiting immigration law

you think that's the equitable solution?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:12 am to
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I think it has more to do about globalism than anything else. People think it is about voters etc and that is probably also true but the end goal is globalism and you cannot have that if the US is big on nationalism and borders.

if this was true the elites would change the definition of asylum to allow legal entry to these people and not require the ruse/bad faith
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:16 am to
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you think that's the equitable solution?


Yes. If that’s what our American law requires, that’s what we have to do. Your view is that the law is inconvenient so screw the law. That is a common right wing view, but it’s wrong.

Do what the law requires and enforce the law. Almost all of the current wave of asylum applications will be denied. That isn’t a bad thing.
Posted by lsu13lsu
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:16 am to
Is that so easy to change even for the elites when lying is easy and already works?
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:16 am to
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those exploiting the system based on lies 

and you're promoting using excess resources because a mass of liars are exploiting immigration law 


This is basically the cloward-piven overload strategy.

It's not working with the system in good faith, it's an attack on the system.

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