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re: Why do Socialism Deniers ignore the overwhelming evidence that Socialism doesn't work
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:30 pm to TheXman
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:30 pm to TheXman
I mean you might as well get used to the idea.
It's happening.
You tards probably still listen to music on cassette tapes and get your information from the Sunday newspaper so I'm likely wasting my time here
It's happening.
You tards probably still listen to music on cassette tapes and get your information from the Sunday newspaper so I'm likely wasting my time here
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Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:33 pm to rocket31
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The whole idea of for profit prisons just seems beyond backwards to me
The only way it works, from a truly private standpoint, is for citizens to directly pay and subsidize the imprisonment of dangerous individuals. Otherwise, it's simply a public expenditure that is nominally private.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:33 pm to Antonio Moss
Classic Poli talk logic
Claim Obamacare sucks while saying simultaneously our healthcare system is great
You can't make this stuff up
Claim Obamacare sucks while saying simultaneously our healthcare system is great
You can't make this stuff up
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:34 pm to rocket31
quote:I'm so far beyond the average person I work with in computer skill it's absurd.
You tards probably still listen to music on cassette tapes and get your information from the Sunday newspaper so I'm likely wasting my time here
I mean, literally absurd. Like, inexplicably absurd.
I would submit that there's been some weird shift. People 10-12 years younger than me tend to be more tech savvy than my generation.
But the ones 20-25 years younger appear to be trained monkeys only have learned tech insofar as they have to interact with it. They've mastered the HFI and that's about it.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:35 pm to rocket31
quote:
I mean you might as well get used to the idea.
It's happening.
You tards probably still listen to music on cassette tapes and get your information from the Sunday newspaper so I'm likely wasting my time here
Oh you're too smart for the board? Now I get it.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:35 pm to rocket31
quote:What you can't make up is how stupid it is to say our health care is bad.
Claim Obamacare sucks while saying simultaneously our healthcare system is great
I mean, it's so stupid as to out you as incapable of analysis.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:36 pm to Parmen
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Probably because there hasn't been a real socialist/communist state in all of history.
here's the "it hasn't been done correctly, yet" line
A new one I've been seeing is "capitalists undermine the socialist/communist societies so they fail"
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:37 pm to skullhawk
quote:"No True Scotsman"
here's the "it hasn't been done correctly, yet" line
quote:To which one should reply....."then apparently, capitalist societies are stronger.........thanks for helping my argument".
new one I've been seeing is "capitalists undermine the socialist/communist societies so they fail"
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:40 pm to rocket31
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Claim Obamacare sucks while saying simultaneously our healthcare system is great
Obamacare has little to do with the Healthcare System and everything to do with the Health Insurance Industry. (And it does suck, as proven by its consequences)
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You can't make this stuff up
Would you care to give some evidence of the U.S. Healthcare System being a failure? Is it the fact that it's the highest rates system for survivorship percentages among the five largest killers of humans?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:43 pm to rocket31
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The whole idea of for profit prisons just seems beyond backwards to me
wouldn't exist if government was capable of running anything efficiently/within budget. I do agree that private prisons should not exist.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:47 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:I eagerly await him giving you moronic stats he doesn't understand to support his position.
Would you care to give some evidence of the U.S. Healthcare System being a failure? Is it the fact that it's the highest rates system for survivorship percentages among the five largest killers of humans?
But, while those are all fun, and, I'm sure he'll cite some nations with awesome stats............NEITHER of those are the real discussion.
Here's the REAL discussion.
The U.S. over the last 40 years has been responsible for approximately 75% of all new treatments to hit the world.
Those treatments are what people in all those other nations get for "free" when they are treated.
In other words, you can't even BEGIN to discuss who is using the golden eggs best until who discuss which goose is laying them and why.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 1:53 pm to ShortyRob
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Those treatments are what people in all those other nations get for "free" when they are treated.
In other words, you can't even BEGIN to discuss who is using the golden eggs best until who discuss which goose is laying them and why.
Yeah but poor people dying the streets or something like that.... Have you no humanity?!?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:10 pm to cokebottleag
The reality is that pretty much all institutional governments (as in "not post-revolutionary governments") are hybrids, with socialist, capitalist and other-ist features. So you are not going to find a government anywhere which is pure enough for the original post. That red elephant doesn't exist.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:11 pm to troyt37
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I'm saying our republic is based upon capitalism, and the Constitution. If your only contribution to society is to advocate the destruction of those two things, to be replaced with your failed ideology, proven time and again, you should not have the privilege of living off of the fruits that the system you want to destroy produces.
What about people (who have families and jobs and contribute to society) who happen to disagree with you on this subject? Ok to kidnap them too?
And where in the Constitution do you have the authority to kidnap citizens and revoke their citizenship bc they disagree with you? This is the kind of crap corrupt authoritarian regimes do (you know the commies that you hate so much).
What about religious zealots that want to put the Bible before the constitution? Should we kidnap and revoke their citizenship as well?
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:38 pm to ShortyRob
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Here's the REAL discussion.
The U.S. over the last 40 years has been responsible for approximately 75% of all new treatments to hit the world.
Those treatments are what people in all those other nations get for "free" when they are treated.
In other words, you can't even BEGIN to discuss who is using the golden eggs best until who discuss which goose is laying them and why.
Yes the US does advance medicine in a way that benefits the rest of the world. However, you also have to consider where that R&D money is coming from. A lot of it comes from the federal government in the form of huge subsidies for pharma and huge grants for research in universities. Even a lot of the private investment dollars are chasing technologies that were developed in state universities or other government funded research.
So while it's true that the US subsidizes the rest of the world's medicine, it's also true that the US government heavily subsidizes the private medical industry here.
I would argue that the US government is directly responsible for a substantial amount of medical advancement. Think about the costs. The average drug costs a billion dollars to develop. Venture capital firms can't risk that amount if a drug fails to reach market.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 2:52 pm to cahoots
quote:Every government spends such money.
A lot of it comes from the federal government in the form of huge subsidies for pharma and huge grants for research in universities
In fact, European nations do at a MUCH higher rate.
Next.
quote:
I would argue that the US government is directly responsible for a substantial amount of medical advancement. Think about the costs. The average drug costs a billion dollars to develop. Venture capital firms can't risk that amount if a drug fails to reach market
First off, I'm not only talking about drugs.
Tons of new treatments aren't drugs but instead are improved devices, improved procedures etc etc.
But, in speaking to drugs, go do a 10K search for the major pharma companies.
Check out their R&D lines.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 3:07 pm to Ebbandflow
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So doesnt that affect every ideology?
Not to the extent it does Socialism.
For Socialism to work everyone has to be pretty homogeneous in their drives and desires to put the societal collective first instead of the individual or the family. It's a mentality that works well only as long as everyone is on the same page and everyone participates equally.
Capitalism, on the other hand, plays to the basic natural instinct every creature has to prosper (regardless of if "prosper" is defined as "banging a female then dying") on the individual/family unit level as a primary goal, not the secondary goal Socialism puts it into.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 3:11 pm to Bard
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For Socialism to work everyone has to be pretty homogeneous in their drives and desires to put the societal collective first instead of the individual or the family. It's a mentality that works well only as long as everyone is on the same page and everyone participates equally.
It's a philosophy that requires a totalitarian approach.
You can be anti capitalist on a capitalist nation. You can get through life just fine. No one will stop you if you want to Jon a commune.
But. If you are in a socialist nation and you figure out how to grow better apples and sell them for less money, THAT is unacceptable and must be stopped
Posted on 4/28/17 at 3:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:quote:
Socialism proponents see the ideal in their mind but fail to realize that's the only place it has ever, or will ever, exist because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
yeah and the problem is that to get to their utopia, force and control must be used. their assumption is that once we get done with using this force to reconstruct society, the people who gained power will give it up
It goes beyond even that because they have to keep that force and control in place in order to maintain the utopia. Socialism works only within a rigid, homogeneous framework of everyone being like-minded. This allows for very little coloring outside the lines so any actions that get too far astray much be quashed immediately or risk creating the chaos of indecision or *gasp* independence in thought and action.
Posted on 4/28/17 at 3:34 pm to cokebottleag
I don't know how to reason with them. It's like a religious belief to them.
They just have faith it will work.
They just have faith it will work.
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