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Why do people think ancestors of European Jews aren't really from Israel?
Posted on 1/18/18 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 5:51 pm
I hear this a lot from the We wuz Kangz crowd, white supremacists, and liberals.
I've heard all the Khazar conspiracy stuff for years.
When did this conspiracy theory start and is there any factual basis for it?
I've heard all the Khazar conspiracy stuff for years.
When did this conspiracy theory start and is there any factual basis for it?
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:03 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Because most of them were born in Europe
Kind of like American blacks aren't really from Africa
Kind of like American blacks aren't really from Africa
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:04 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:They and most of their ancestors haven't lived there in a couple of thousand years?
Why do people think European Jews aren't really from Israel?
What does "from" somewhere mean to you?
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:05 pm to dcbl
I should clarify, their ancestors didn't come from Israel. That's the running theory.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:05 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Cause if u were born before 1948, you can’t be FROM Israel?
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:06 pm to Navytiger74
Were the ancestors of European Jews from Israel?
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:07 pm to thebigmuffaletta
ETA: And I don't buy the Khazar bullshite. It's been discredited by genetic testing.
But the criticism of the Jewish diaspora being "from Israel" isn't without basis, though for religious regions I concede that Israel is the historical homeland of the world's Jewish population.
But the criticism of the Jewish diaspora being "from Israel" isn't without basis, though for religious regions I concede that Israel is the historical homeland of the world's Jewish population.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:07 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:I think that answer is evident in the post you responded to.
Were the ancestors of European Jews from Israel?
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:09 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Palestinians have a better claim to Israel than most post WWII ashkanazi Jewish people presently living there.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:11 pm to Navytiger74
quote:
But the criticism of the Jewish diaspora being "from Israel" isn't without basis
What basis?
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:18 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Literally the first time I’ve ever heard any of this, and yet I instantly think, why would Jews from the Middle East with unquestioned lineage accept European Jewry if there were any question about them?
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:19 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:The basis that no one else has a claim to a piece of land because their ancestors were kicked out by the fricking Assyrians, Romans, and Babylonians over several centuries 2000 years ago?
What basis?
What's your claim or my claim to land wherever our ancestors came from even a few hundred years ago? And again, I support Israel's claim from a religious stand and because Israel has been re-established as the Jewish homeland for the better part of most people's lives--almost 70 years. I'm not an anti-Zionist. But if my religious beliefs weren't as they are and I wasn't relatively practically-minded, my opinion would be quite different. So I understand that people who don't share my beliefs have quite a different opinion.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:21 pm to Navytiger74
But that's not what I'm asking though. What's the basis that European Jews aren't descended from the Jews of Israel?
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:24 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Because it fits the neo Nazi agenda
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:24 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:Read your title. They are descended from the Jews of Israel.
But that's not what I'm asking though. What's the basis that European Jews aren't descended from the Jews of Israel?
Descending from peoples who inhabited a region millennia ago and being "from" that region are two different things.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:26 pm to Navytiger74
Yes, I'm aware of that. I'm asking why people think they aren't the direct descendants of Jews who were from Israel.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:27 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:Well why are you asking me? I already specifically said the Khazar conspiracy shite has been debunked by genetic testing.
Yes, I'm aware of that. I'm asking why people think they aren't the direct descendants of Jews who were from Israel.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:28 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:
I'm asking why people think they aren't the direct descendants of Jews who were from Israel.
People have lots of theories about lots of different things.
Why are you so concerned about Israel and Jews and what other people think of them?
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:33 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:
Were the ancestors of European Jews from Israel?
2000+ years ago? Maybe.
Thats a hell of a thing to verify, however.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 6:35 pm to Navytiger74
quote:the Jews maintained a constant presence in Israel the entire time, it's well documented in records from numerous cultures, histories. But I guess your point is that since you think the "Palestinians" have a better claim than the Jews there now, by your logic all the Jews have to do is hold on to the land long enough and then the Palestinians have no argument. Which is fine, since they really do have no argument. All Arabs living in the territory that was declared Israel in 1948 had all the same rights as citizens that the Jews living there did. They gave that up when they failed to help their fellow countrymen fight off the invading neighboring Arab Nations, instead choosing to side with them and step aside so they could go exterminate those filthy Jews. But oops that didn't happen, so there they sit. You would think the Jordanians would just give them citizenship because they are literally identical genetically, ethnically, and culturally to the Jordanians (who by the way are primarily composed of Syrian immigrants to the area drawn by the increased silence and economic activity in the region created by the influx of Jews). Oh wait I know why they haven't. Because the Palestinians as a distinct people group are a psychotic death cult founded by a literal Hitler fanboy, who tried to take over Jordan by terroristic means in 1970, black September. Other highlights of the wonderful Palestinian people include sending in their own children as suicide bombers to blow up pizza parlors and checkpoints, shelling residential neighborhoods randomly with mortars and rockets, and at one point electing a literal terrorist organization Hamas as their government
The basis that no one else has a claim to a piece of land because their ancestors were kicked out by the fricking Assyrians, Romans, and Babylonians over several centuries 2000 years ago?
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 6:48 pm
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