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re: Why do Americans support Israel so much?

Posted on 12/28/16 at 11:04 am to
Posted by TN Bhoy
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 11:04 am to
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You do realize Jesus was a Jew, right?



Yeah. And the Jews ceased being Biblical Israel when they rejected Christ. Modern Judaism =/= Old Testament Judaism

Christianity = Old Testament Judaism
This post was edited on 12/28/16 at 11:05 am
Posted by Lg
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 11:29 am to
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And the Jews ceased being Biblical Israel when they rejected Christ.


That's funny.
Posted by TN Bhoy
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 1:04 pm to
That's orthodox Christianity.
Posted by OBReb6
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 1:33 pm to
Someone references the verse from genesis earier about blessing the protectors of Israel. Is there anything equivalent to that in the New Testament (e.g., referencing the literal descendants of Abraham)?
Posted by Gray Tiger
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 1:36 pm to
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Iceland is a beacon of peace in the middle of the Atlantic let's give them money.


We do.

Be better informed.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:15 pm to
It's like you want to kill this board.
Posted by AjaxFury
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:20 pm to
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Yeah. And the Jews ceased being Biblical Israel when they rejected Christ. Modern Judaism =/= Old Testament Judaism Christianity = Old Testament Judaism


The church has done a poor job of teaching, & if more people would actually read their bible that profess to be Christians, they would understand what you mean. It's not a secret; truth is hidden right in front of people's eyes if they care to open them.

Rev 3:9 , Acts 7:43, 1 John 2:22, ROM 2:28-29
Posted by AjaxFury
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:21 pm to
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Someone references the verse from genesis earier about blessing the protectors of Israel. Is there anything equivalent to that in the New Testament (e.g., referencing the literal descendants of Abraham)?


Galatians 3:16
This post was edited on 12/28/16 at 2:26 pm
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:28 pm to
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Yeah. And the Jews ceased being Biblical Israel when they rejected Christ.


See Matthew 24 for more on that.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:30 pm to
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Someone references the verse from genesis earier about blessing the protectors of Israel. Is there anything equivalent to that in the New Testament (e.g., referencing the literal descendants of Abraham)?



Matthew 21:33-46

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Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.




Galatians 3:7-29:

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Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, the just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Revelation 2:9

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"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."



Apocalypse 3:9

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Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.



Matthew 3:7

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But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.



There are more.

This post was edited on 12/28/16 at 2:32 pm
Posted by red racker
Independence, MO
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:37 pm to
Christianity was never intended for Gentiles. White people adopting Semitic belief systems to give ourselves some kind of importance and Manifest Destiny justification is hilariously cute in a twisted way.

Western nations shouldn't even be involved in anything more than just giving a fair amount of reparations to Jews for what the Romans started.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:38 pm to
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There are more.



Romans 11:25-26

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Posted by Corch Urban Myers
Columbus, OH
Member since Jul 2009
5993 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:40 pm to
Don't confuse Americans with American legislators that are bought and paid for by the Jewish lobby.
This post was edited on 12/28/16 at 2:42 pm
Posted by AjaxFury
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:41 pm to
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Christianity was never intended for Gentiles.


Either a troll or anti christ line of thinking.

The Gentiles being redeemed through the messiah is the foundation of Christianity.
You are suspect

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This post was edited on 12/28/16 at 2:43 pm
Posted by Jrv2damac
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:44 pm to
Religion, AIPAC, clash of civilization propaganda

Posted by Jrv2damac
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 2:49 pm to
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We do. Be better informed.


Iceland foreign aid? Do we? How much?

Even if we did/didn't the fact you sound proud of that is pathetic





This post was edited on 12/28/16 at 2:49 pm
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 12/28/16 at 4:10 pm to
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Why do Americans support Israel so much?

Why not?
Posted by Geauxrilla Ballz
S'port
Member since Jan 2009
672 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 4:31 pm to
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The church has done a poor job of teaching, & if more people would actually read their bible that profess to be Christians, they would understand what you mean. It's not a secret; truth is hidden right in front of people's eyes if they care to open them. Rev 3:9 , Acts 7:43, 1 John 2:22, ROM 2:28-29


The Church has never changed - only man. With the bastardization of "Christianity," the world has lost His way.

The Orthodox Church has preserved the original teachings and history. Unchanged throughout time.

Think about that.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26999 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 4:41 pm to
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How does that justify the US giving them money? So if you are a free country you get money.


We give aid to a lot of countries to help promote democracy. USAID isn't a charity.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 4:42 pm to
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We give aid to a lot of countries to help promote democracy. USAID isn't a charity.


USAID is an economic weapon, and the track record of USAID is one of massive fraud waste abuse, and conflict.
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