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re: Why did people on the left think Obamacare was a necessity?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:49 pm to Ted2010
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:49 pm to Ted2010
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Why did people on the left think Obamacare was a necessity
largely because of insurance companies denying coverage to the sick and people losing everything as a result. This was the major narrative used by the left to illicit a compassionate response for support and it worked.
And if nothing else, if the law succeeded here, then its not an entire failure.
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 3:50 pm
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:52 pm to BobBoucher
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This was the major narrative used by the left to illicit a compassionate response for support and it worked.
But Obamacare never won over the public, before or after being passed
Posted on 11/6/14 at 3:55 pm to BOSCEAUX
Because of social inequality. And you're a racist for questioning it.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:05 pm to Vegas Bengal
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In 2007, a year after the Massachusetts reform, Republican Senator Bob Bennett and Democratic Senator Ron Wyden introduced the Healthy Americans Act, which also featured an individual mandate and state-based regulated insurance markets called "State Health Help Agencies".[51][62] The bill initially attracted bipartisan support but died in committee. Many of the sponsors and co-sponsors remained in Congress during the 2008 healthcare debate.[63]
I am one of the few conservatives on this board that is still OK with the ideas in the HAA. Obamacare, at its core, has some good ideas. They just went crazy on some things and liberaled it all up. For example:
-Instead of being a way to eventually eliminate Medicaid, like in the HAA, ACA expanded Medicaid
-Instead of providing a truly minimum amount of insurance and letting people pick more, everything was thrown in as minimal care-dental, vision, mental, birth control, etc.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:23 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:Silly. The individual mandate is only a small part of Obamacare. And notice.. those earlier attempts went no where.
For the same reason people on the right thought it so:
The idea that Obamacare is a republican idea is outright ignorance.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:25 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:i didn't realize some people were forbidden to buy insurance before Obamacare? Link?
I mean, obamacare sucks but it does provide unprecedented access to health insurance.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:27 pm to BobBoucher
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largely because of insurance companies denying coverage to the sick
what would expect an insurance company to do? They provide insurance not charity! Someone that is already sick doesn't represent a risk.
quote:Further perverting the definition of "insurance" and providing greater distortion to the marketplace is hardly a "success".
And if nothing else, if the law succeeded here, then its not an entire failure.
Actuary-based risk management is the only reason having insurance is cheaper than paying directly. Obamacare removes that ability to manage risk. So... the price of insurance... over the long term will rise to what it costs to directly pay.
It was already doing this. Obamacare only serves to speed it along..
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:28 pm to Vegas Bengal
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For the same reason people on the right thought it so:
I know, right?
People act like Obama just pulled health reform out of his arse. He was originally going the single payor route, but he went with the mandate/republican approved plan (which we all know was created by the Heritage Foundation and initially implemented by Mitt Romney) in order to get GOP buy in. Republicans were for it before they were against it.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:28 pm to BOSCEAUX
It is a pure power grab. It's necessary to increase govt power. The left just naturally assumes they will always have their hand on the levers, which is probably true because careerists in the social govt departments are leftists and will be regardless of which political party wins.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:29 pm to Taxing Authority
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The idea that Obamacare is a republican idea is outright ignorance.
That's hilarious since I've posted the actual pages from the Heritage Foundation's publication.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:30 pm to Hawkeye95
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s provide unprecedented access to health insurance.
Much about Obamacare has been unprecedented your right.
1. The roll out.
2. Profits for Insurance companies
3. People losing their plans at work
4. People paying more
Yes much has been unprecedented and we are not even finished with the consequences yet
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:31 pm to a want
quote:Indeed it IS hilarious, because you continue to show your ignorance on the subject, again-and-again.
That's hilarious since I've posted the actual pages from the Heritage Foundation's publication
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:32 pm to BOSCEAUX
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Why did people on the left think Obamacare was a necessity?
They don't think that. They just want a new entitlement program cause that's how they buy votes and win elections.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:40 pm to a want
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People act like Obama just pulled health reform out of his arse. He was originally going the single payor route, but he went with the mandate/republican approved plan (which we all know was created by the Heritage Foundation and initially implemented by Mitt Romney) in order to get GOP buy in
A complete and utter lie of course. Reid didnt have the votes in his own camp for single payer nor the public option. Thank Miss Piggy for the latter.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 4:47 pm to a want
quote:And tell us... How many GOP votes were needed to pass Obamacare?
in order to get GOP buy in.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 5:14 pm to Taxing Authority
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And tell us... How many GOP votes were needed to pass Obamacare?
Dimocratixes wanted SO DESPARATELY to call Obamacare a bipartisan bill/law. That way, they could share the blame when that piece of governmental excrement hit the fan. It's also why libs cling to their pathetic "The Heritage Foundation made us do it" meme.
Obamacare is all yours, dimocratixes!
Posted on 11/6/14 at 5:40 pm to Taxing Authority
and
Posted on 11/6/14 at 5:52 pm to a want
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a want
Hey, Knothead! Read something. It didn't go anywhere. It was roundly rejected by Republicans.
That is.......until it became the cause celebre of the dimocratix party. Obamacare passed without a single GOP vote. Your party owns it.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 5:54 pm to a want
Read past the circled parts-
The requirement should be for catastrophic care. If he wrecks his Porsche he is on his own.
Requiring a whole bunch of non-catastrophic stuff (like birth control) is an example of liberals screwing up a good idea. But hey, war on women.
The requirement should be for catastrophic care. If he wrecks his Porsche he is on his own.
Requiring a whole bunch of non-catastrophic stuff (like birth control) is an example of liberals screwing up a good idea. But hey, war on women.
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 11/6/14 at 5:59 pm to a want
You have lost it.
Its like the heritage IS the begining and the end of the republican party. Nothing else. Just the heritage. If they say it its republican law by god. If they want it the repubs do it by god. Whatever the heritage says is what republicans are. Period. Forever. And it covers anyone and anything that has a R by it. No one worked on the ACA except the heritage. No one voted for it but the heritage. No one ask questions about the ACA but the heritage.
The heritage are even in your pants by god.
I never knew.
Oh and who the f@ck is Stuart Butler?
Old man fist shaking right now.
Its like the heritage IS the begining and the end of the republican party. Nothing else. Just the heritage. If they say it its republican law by god. If they want it the repubs do it by god. Whatever the heritage says is what republicans are. Period. Forever. And it covers anyone and anything that has a R by it. No one worked on the ACA except the heritage. No one voted for it but the heritage. No one ask questions about the ACA but the heritage.
The heritage are even in your pants by god.
I never knew.
Oh and who the f@ck is Stuart Butler?
Old man fist shaking right now.
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 6:01 pm
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