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Why did people on the left think Obamacare was a necessity?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:46 pm
I just don't get it. We already have Medicaid for poor people and Medicare for the elderly. If you don't qualify for these then you should be able to provide yourself with insurance unless you made a lot of bad decisions or aren't willing to work a little harder.
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:49 pm to BOSCEAUX
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you made a lot of bad decisions or aren't willing to work a little harder
and it surprises you that the left wanted to give these people something for nothing?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:51 pm to BOSCEAUX
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If you don't qualify for these then you should be able to provide yourself with insurance unless you made a lot of bad decisions or aren't willing to work a little harder.
Complete bullshite.
Obamacare is a fricking travesty in that it does absolutely nothing to address quality or cost (just access). It was entirely a political move. But to think our healthcare system doesn't need improvements with regard to access and cost is ridiculous.
Too many competing interests to ever make truly helpful legislation though.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:53 pm to BOSCEAUX
It was never about healthcare.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:54 pm to BOSCEAUX
Control
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:55 pm to BOSCEAUX
The purpose of Obamacare is to lead to single payer. Obama said so. Single payer puts govt in charge of your life. Govt can do anything it wants if it effects your life. Total control.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:57 pm to rattlebucket
Everyone here is spot on - this was never about getting everyone true affordable healthcare. It was about the illusion that this was a great thing for everyone, and giving away "free stuff" again, hoping it would gin up the Dem voter base for years.
Anyone remember the video of the woman saying she wouldn't have to pay for gas or her mortgage?
Anyone remember the video of the woman saying she wouldn't have to pay for gas or her mortgage?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:59 pm to BOSCEAUX
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I just don't get it. We already have Medicaid for poor people and Medicare for the elderly. If you don't qualify for these then you should be able to provide yourself with insurance unless you made a lot of bad decisions or aren't willing to work a little harder.
For the same reason people on the right thought it so:
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In 2006, an insurance expansion bill was enacted at the state level in Massachusetts. The bill contained both an individual health insurance mandate and an insurance exchange. Republican Governor Mitt Romney vetoed the mandate, but after Democrats overrode his veto, he signed it into law.[61] Romney's implementation of the 'Health Connector' exchange and individual mandate in Massachusetts was at first lauded by Republicans. During Romney's 2008 presidential campaign, Senator Jim DeMint praised Romney's ability to "take some good conservative ideas, like private health insurance, and apply them to the need to have everyone insured." Romney said of the individual mandate: "I'm proud of what we've done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be the model for the nation."[62]
In 2007, a year after the Massachusetts reform, Republican Senator Bob Bennett and Democratic Senator Ron Wyden introduced the Healthy Americans Act, which also featured an individual mandate and state-based regulated insurance markets called "State Health Help Agencies".[51][62] The bill initially attracted bipartisan support but died in committee. Many of the sponsors and co-sponsors remained in Congress during the 2008 healthcare debate.[63]
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:00 pm to Vegas Bengal
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the state level
please tell me you understand the differences in play here....
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:03 pm to Vegas Bengal
So the left took what should have been a state by state issue, jumped into the middle of it, and decided what size fit everyone.
Any conservative would tell you it's a state issue, but not the left. They believe in controlling everyone's business and making everyone "equal" and under their control.
Any conservative would tell you it's a state issue, but not the left. They believe in controlling everyone's business and making everyone "equal" and under their control.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:05 pm to BOSCEAUX
Obamacare has done nothing good for my family. It would have been better for us if nothing was ever done in the first place.
This was written by the insurance lobby to take care of the insurance lobby.
This was written by the insurance lobby to take care of the insurance lobby.
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:05 pm to Vegas Bengal
That's the problem with Dems, trying to make square pegs fit in round holes. State level ideas usually don't work nationally in the US because of the makeup of the population.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:05 pm to BOSCEAUX
They were fooled by clever fabrications making a minor situation seem like a catastrophe.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:06 pm to BOSCEAUX
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Why did people on the left
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think
Assumes a fact not in evidence!
j/k, lefts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:07 pm to member12
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Obamacare has done nothing good for my family. It would have been better for us if nothing was ever done in the first place.
My rates went up 15% that's about it. Mega fail.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:07 pm to BOSCEAUX
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. If you don't qualify for these then you should be able to provide yourself with insurance unless you made a lot of bad decisions or aren't willing to work a little harder.
Dude just shut up.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:10 pm to MSMHater
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(just access).
I doesn't even really do that. Tons of people had great access but lost their docs BECAUSE of this.
If anythinf, it hurt access to care.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:10 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Dude just shut up.
Don't be fat and your insurance wouldn't cost so much.
Fatty
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:10 pm to SpidermanTUba
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SpidermanTUba
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Dude just shut up.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:11 pm to BOSCEAUX
It was never about access. It was about one thing and one thing only... Money. That's it.
More of it for democrats who supported the law and more for the insurance companies.
There's a reason Obama's net worth has exploded under his term.
More of it for democrats who supported the law and more for the insurance companies.
There's a reason Obama's net worth has exploded under his term.
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