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re: Why are the conservative libertarians fighting maga so hard?
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:07 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:07 pm to djsdawg
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There are only 2 real choices in our political system. Libertarians enable the wrong side.
False choice fallacy, again.
Do you have anything other than using false choice fallacies or catastrophe syndrome? Something rational, intelligent, and/or productive?
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:08 pm to djsdawg
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There are only 2 real choices in our political system.
There are no real choices. More war, spending, and expansion of the surveillance state.
"No matter who I vote for, I always get John McCain."
Yeah.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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"You" as in the government?
As in the people voting.
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You gave no answer to the question and answered a completely separate question (one about electoral strategy)
This is about electoral strategy: Don't let the liberals win. The left winning is bad for all of us. Libertarians refuse to acknowledge that.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:10 pm to djsdawg
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As in the people voting.
Has nothing to do with a discussion about libertarianism, which is a discussion about government policy/power.
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This is about electoral strategy:
No it's not. This is you trying to force an irrelevant digression.
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Don't let the liberals win. The left winning is bad for all of us. Libertarians refuse to acknowledge that.
Because it's a false choice fallacy.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
The MAGA crowd is in for a hard crash landing in two years when Trump is gone and no one to really take his place. Vance is a phony and lacks true charisma.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:12 pm to BeeFense5
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The MAGA crowd is in for a hard crash landing in two years when Trump is gone and no one to really take his place. Vance is a phony and lacks true charisma.
You already see with the yutes how this "cultural right" is going to go.
Add in the conflict this causes with the pro-Israel crowd and I can't wait for the purity contests in 2028.
Hopefully it kills this false choice fallacy crutch once and for all.
Sadly it won't have any impact on the catastrophe syndrome
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:13 pm to djsdawg
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The left is a tranny, muslim, single white liberal.
No, those are your boogiemen.
The KKK were democrats and the left. They hated all those things - just like you.
You want government control over people to force them into a life that suits you. It's all social justice warrior bullshite.
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You have ignored how the left wants to control you.
You have yet to describe how the right wants to control you. Why? It doesnt want to.
You wanted to control me during covid.
You want to force me into paying for foreign wars of bullshite.
You want to force me into paying for a police state
You want to force me into paying for bailing out big corporations.
You want to force me into paying for things like corn subsides.
You want to force me into social standards that you consider acceptable.
You hate freedom and liberty because you are scared how people will use them and you want to give them to the government for the illusion of security.
You are a coward and unAmerican.
This post was edited on 10/1/26 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:14 pm to BeeFense5
And he is the only hope to keep it together.
Just
at Rubio carrying on MAGA.
Just
at Rubio carrying on MAGA.Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You do not enable them...how?
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This is a question about policy and political power not elections.
By voting against the left and their woke POLICIES, you can keep their political power at bay.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:15 pm to djsdawg
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By voting against the lef
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This is a question about policy and political power not elections.
Try again.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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False choice fallacy, again.
How is what I said false? Its a 2 party system.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:19 pm to Bunk Moreland
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There are no real choices. More war, spending, and expansion of the surveillance state.
Likely true in regards to those issues, so here are the real choices:
Trannies, Woke, Commies, Muslims, Illegals, violent criminals
vs
Normal
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:19 pm to djsdawg
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How is what I said false? Its a 2 party system.
Do you think Paxton and Cornyn offer the same policies? Trump and Jeb Bush? Rubio 2010 v. Rubio 2016 v. Rubio 2024? Massie and Clay Higgins?
There is not one set of accepted policies even within the normie GOP.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Has nothing to do with a discussion about libertarianism, which is a discussion about government policy/power.
People voting dictates govt policy/power.
For example, wide open borders vs completely shut border.
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Because it's a false choice fallacy.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:20 pm to djsdawg
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Likely true in regards to those issues, so here are the real choices:
Trannies, Woke, Commies, Muslims, Illegals, violent criminals
vs
Normal
You've yet to describe the policies that support your argument, after being asked multiple times.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Do you think Paxton and Cornyn offer the same policies?
A false choice, you finally found it.
Only one of them is running against a far left social liberal. We aren't talking about primaries. We are talking about democrats vs republicans.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:22 pm to djsdawg
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People voting dictates govt policy/power.
And lots of people vote for lots of different things.
This discussion is about policy, not voting.
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For example, wide open borders vs completely shut border.
See THAT is a policy. Baby steps.
Even better, you just proved my point about the system not being the binary fallacy you create, as the GOP has many different umbrellas with different policies on borders.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:24 pm to djsdawg
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A false choice, you finally found it.
You don't know what a false choice is, apparently
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Only one of them is running against a far left social liberal.
No both did, as well as a 3rd GOP candidate.
3 GOP candidates with 3 different policy planks.
Not binary at all.
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We aren't talking about primaries.
WHOA WHOA Mr. "Voting means everything" is trying to pivot away from voting? Say it ain't so.
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We are talking about democrats vs republicans.
Actually WE are talking about libertarians.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:29 pm to 3down10
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You hate freedom because you fear how other people might use theirs. You are just a different branch of leftism.
Nope. I just don’t see any redeeming value in figs, illegal aliens, moslems, marxists, ghetto people, etc. Apparently you and the actual leftists do, though.
ETA: I also don’t like seeing my country crumble into a third world shithole, either. Apparently you’re ok with that too.
This post was edited on 10/1/26 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:30 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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I just don’t see any redeeming value in figs, illegal aliens, moslems, marxists, ghetto people, etc.
The question is what redeeming qualities you find in freedom.
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