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re: Why are the conservative libertarians fighting maga so hard?
Posted on 10/1/26 at 8:16 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 10/1/26 at 8:16 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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if you support gay marriage, trans sexuals, abortion, certain types of immigration, etc. you're not a conservative. I don't make the rules
State shouldn't be involved with marriage to start with, but I have no issue with gay marriage. Keep your religion to yourself.
I don't care about trannies either. I do care when they start trying to force people into their sexual fantasies with pronouns, putting that shite on kids etc.
These are both social conservative issues, and that's why it's social conservative and not just conservative.
Abortion is murder
Not sure what you mean about immigration. We have a welfare system that shouldn't exist which causes them to be a burden on the system. Along with many other problems such as failure to assimilate due to large numbers and communities etc.
In our current state we should have very little immigration. But if it's just because you don't like them, then no, I'm not a bigot.
This post was edited on 10/1/26 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 10/1/26 at 8:17 pm to Bunk Moreland
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deep down I don't think I care much about social issues
And this is why no one can take your kind seriously. Culture is way too important to think this way. Lives and minds are at stake because of the culture wars fought by the left, and you just want to let them have it all.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 8:18 pm to djsdawg
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Only the dumbest of people think pro tranny is = to pro normal.
Which insane social justices are normal people trying to force upon you?
Surely you have a long list of them.
I'm pro freedom, not pro tranny.
Once again you just can't seem to grasp that not every thing in life is for the government to decide what people should do.
You are a leftist and you hate freedom because you fear what someone may do with that freedom.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 8:25 pm to Madking
100% he pretends to be some conservative but hes just a lying leftard
Posted on 10/1/26 at 8:37 pm to 3down10
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I'm pro freedom, not pro tranny.
You enable trannies, feminists, and muslims. I do not.
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Once again you just can't seem to grasp that not every thing in life is for the government to decide what people should do.
The left wants to control you. We just want normalcy. We arent wanting for force insane social justices on you like the left is, which is why you failed in your answer of the question:
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Which insane social justices are normal people trying to force upon you?
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:02 pm to Bunk Moreland
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I don't really even understand what MAGA is anymore other than Trump worship.
That's all it ever was IMO.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:14 pm to wackatimesthree
Because they are idiots that believe Candice and low rent comedians - This has been the best term in history and more promises kept than any other President.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:19 pm to djsdawg
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Only the dumbest of people think pro tranny is = to pro normal.
Which insane social justices are normal people trying to force upon you?
How do you achieve your policy goals without violating the Constitution, specifically the 1A?
People use freedom to do all sorts of things I don't agree with personally
Just go back to this insane comment that started this digress (not by you)
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One side is pro fig, pro tranny, pro moslem, pro marxist, pro abortion, pro latinacan, pro ghettoan and generally pro social misfits. The other side isn’t. sorry the inner walls of your rectum are preventing you from seeing this.
Supporting freedom doesn't directly make you pro any of those things.
Your burden is explaining how you don't violate freedoms in enacting your policies restricting those behaviors. Freedom is the crucial variable to analyze.
This post was edited on 10/1/26 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Supporting freedom doesn't directly make you pro any of those things.
Your burden is explaining how you don't violate freedoms in enacting your policies restricting those behaviors. Freedom is the crucial variable to analyze.
This nuance will be completely lost on them
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:27 pm to 14&Counting
It doesn't fit into the MAGA forced binary systems as easily (especially how they've drawn the lines)
That's why they have to often rely on irrational-emotional arguments like catastrophe syndrome.
That's why they have to often rely on irrational-emotional arguments like catastrophe syndrome.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:41 pm to djsdawg
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You enable trannies, feminists, and muslims. I do not.
What people do with their freedoms is none of my business as long as they aren't hurting other people.
But since you think you have the right to decide what other people can do, then you also agree they have the right to force those things on you.
I don't think either of you have the right.
That's liberty.
You hate freedom because you fear what people will do with it.
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The left wants to control you. We just want normalcy. We arent wanting for force insane social justices on you like the left is, which is why you failed in your answer of the question:
You want to control me.
You did it during Covid too. You called those things justified and what not. I was the extremist, the one dangerous for society, the one who shouldn't have the freedom to decide for myself.
This post was edited on 10/1/26 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How do you achieve your policy goals without violating the Constitution, specifically the 1A?
Easy.
You discourage the people who want to force their nonsense on you.
How do you do this?
You dont give them political power to force their nonsense on you.
How do you do this?
You vote AGAINST the left, which is the only side that will validate all of their nonsense and force it upon you.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
I was a libertarian for years. I got tired of their mercurial rhetoric. Now I’m a registered Democrat.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:54 pm to 3down10
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What people do with their freedoms is none of my business as long as they aren't hurting other people.
Thats BS. The left's policies do hurt other people, but you don't seem to care.
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You want to control me.
I want you to help fight the battle against the woke, muslim left, which wants to control you.
The right doesnt, and I think you know it based on your 2nd failure to answer the question, but you are too cowardly to admit it.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:56 pm to djsdawg
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You discourage the people who want to force their nonsense on you.
"You" as in the government?
If not, it's not really relevant to a conversation about libertarian policy.
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You discourage the people who want to force their nonsense on you.
How do you do this?
You dont give them political power to force their nonsense on you.
How do you do this?
You vote AGAINST the left, which is the only side that will validate all of their nonsense and force it upon you.
Circular and non-responsive. Almost a tautology.
You gave no answer to the question and answered a completely separate question (one about electoral strategy)
Also, as stated above "you vote against" makes this a non-relevant response to a discussion about libertarian policy, which requires a discussion about government. Government doesn't vote.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 9:58 pm to djsdawg
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The left's policies do hurt other people, but you don't seem to care.
False choice fallacy
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I want you to help fight the battle against the woke, muslim left, which wants to control you.
False choice fallacy, agin
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:00 pm to djsdawg
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Thats BS. The left's policies do hurt other people, but you don't seem to care.
You are the left.
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I want you to help fight the battle against the woke, muslim left, which wants to control you.
The right doesnt, and I think you know it based on your 2nd failure to answer the question, but you are too cowardly to admit it.
I want nothing to do with either of your social justices. You hate freedom, liberty and the very principles this country was founded on.
You can straight force everyone to my life style and it's still not freedom or liberty and I want no part of it.
I lived in the south in a sundown town. I know full damn good and well it doesn't stop there. It's just a continued march towards taking away peoples freedom.
You can take your bullshite and shove it up your arse. People like you are the reason we have the 1st and 2nd amendment.
This post was edited on 10/1/26 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:03 pm to 3down10
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You are the left.
The left is a tranny, muslim, single white liberal. quote:
I want nothing to do with either of your social justices.
You have ignored how the left wants to control you.
You have yet to describe how the right wants to control you. Why? It doesnt want to.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:05 pm to djsdawg
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You have yet to describe how the right wants to control you.
You said
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You enable trannies, feminists, and muslims. I do not.
You do not enable them...how? This is a question about policy and political power not elections.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 10:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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False choice fallacy
There are only 2 real choices in our political system. Libertarians enable the wrong side.
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