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re: Why are police even standing for this abuse?
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:53 pm to FiddleHead
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:53 pm to FiddleHead
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There is not cut all solution to the crime problem.
Agreed
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There will always be crime no matter what.
Agreed
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However the USA has done a hell of a job creating more crime. There’s a reason we have the highest incarceration rate in the world
The USA has created more crime? How?
Again, what is your solution? What is your solution to the incarceration rate?
First of all, no one makes anyone commit a crime. There could be ways for incarceration to work but there are to many bleeding hearts to allow that to happen.
I don't have an one size fits all answer either but I will say that turning a blind eye to crime (of any kind) is not the correct answer.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:57 pm to DemonKA3268
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The USA has created more crime? How?
Well the drug war didn’t help.
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The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news." "Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did,"
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Again, what is your solution? What is your solution to the incarceration rate?
Decriminalize drugs and sex work
Get rid of mandatory minimum sentencing.
Heavily reduce the plea deal - 97% of all cases don’t go before a jury.
Create more mental health facilities where mentally unstable can go instead of jail.
Turn jail into more of a rehabilitation center. Very few people are better off going to jail, they usually turn out worse. Are there some people that are just evil and won’t ever conform to societal norms? Of course. But that doesn’t meant we don’t try
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:01 pm to FiddleHead
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Decriminalize drugs and sex work Get rid of mandatory minimum sentencing. Heavily reduce the plea deal - 97% of all cases don’t go before a jury. Create more mental health facilities where mentally unstable can go instead of jail. Turn jail into more of a rehabilitation center. Very few people are better off going to jail, they usually turn out worse. Are there some people that are just evil and won’t ever conform to societal norms? Of course. But that doesn’t meant we don’t try
Good answers.
Wouldn't you say that jails are more rehabilitative now than in the past?
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Well the drug war didn’t help.
I won't dispute this.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:02 pm to DemonKA3268
It’s gotten better but that’s not a very high bar to clear
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:12 pm to FiddleHead
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It’s gotten better but that’s not a very high bar to clear
Perhaps not. Most rational thinking people don't want to go to jail/prison.
Most also don't care about the "street cred" it gives some.
Everything starts with the individual and works it way outward. That is where the problem lies.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:17 pm to DemonKA3268
Sure but not every kid has a parent or hell even any sort of family unit to cling on to. So them getting caught up in a gang or some other group should not really be surprising. They want a sense of family. That’s why education has to be important. It can give kids a sense of family or community. Or even social workers that check in on them. They need something. Anything is better than nothing or what we have right now.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:20 pm to FiddleHead
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Anything is better than nothing or what we have right now.
Where should that begin? This is a part of the problem that no one wants to discuss. That was my point about it starting with the individual and then moving out from there. Why aren't those who have the kids held responsible for raising them? How does that get addressed and fixed?
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They need something
Agreed
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:31 pm to DemonKA3268
You can’t hold someone responsible for abandoning their kids if they abandoned their kids because they’re in jail. And I know that is not always the case and I know that sometimes they’re in jail for violent crimes.
But if you’re in jail for violating parole by driving with an expired license or drinking, or even minor drug use. And you have a kid, you shouldn’t be in jail. You should be allowed to raise your kid.
But if you’re in jail for violating parole by driving with an expired license or drinking, or even minor drug use. And you have a kid, you shouldn’t be in jail. You should be allowed to raise your kid.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:34 pm to FiddleHead
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But if you’re in jail for violating parole by driving with an expired license or drinking, or even minor drug use. And you have a kid, you shouldn’t be in jail. You should be allowed to raise your kid.
Again, that falls on personal accountability. It's really not that hard to do the right thing.
I guess some are just lazy.
I understand your point though.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:36 pm to LSUconvert
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What level of training do you think would be required to be able to identify this stuff with your naked eye
Field sobriety testing certification is
24 hours of training including a practical examination plus refresher courses every few years to maintain certification.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 6/8/20 at 5:09 pm to FiddleHead
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Decriminalize drugs and sex work
There it is. That’s the problem. Black people cant stop committing crimes, so it’s AMERICA’S responsibility to legalize all the laws that black people can’t seem to stop breaking.
“But muh prison statistics”... yea, exactly... look at them. Lots of black men are in jail for violent offenses like gang-related murder. We gonna legalize that one next?
This is what happens with this give an inch, take a mile mentality.
I’m pro legalization of marijuana, but guess what; if an NFL team said “hey man, we’re going to give you 100 million dollars, world class dietitians, facilities, food, free gear, hook your family up with whatever they want, make you loved by fans, and provide you with whatever you need to be successful. Oh... just this one thing; you have to give up smoking weed during the season”
Guess what... TDcline would comply with everything that NFL team asked. These ppl are spoiled. Never the community that must change. No responsibility as a collective. The entire world must change to suit their desires, and that’s one of the most racist things allowed in our society today.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 6/8/20 at 6:02 pm to TDcline
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There it is. That’s the problem. Black people cant stop committing crimes, so it’s AMERICA’S responsibility to legalize all the laws that black people can’t seem to stop breaking.
lol at you if you don't think white people use drugs just as much as black people.
Go to any college campus and you will find more cocaine than you know what to do with from white kids.
Please explain to me how that in a country that is supposed to be "free" you can drink or smoke yourself to death but face life sentences for using "drugs"
Alcohol is a drug is it not?
But muhhh its dangerous.
If its legal and regulated its no longer nearly as dangerous as it is right now.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 6/8/20 at 6:10 pm to FiddleHead
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I was an Infantry Marine
Which video game?
Posted on 6/8/20 at 6:13 pm to AUCom96
Adults are having a conversation here child
Posted on 6/8/20 at 6:39 pm to FiddleHead
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Turn jail into more of a rehabilitation center. Very few people are better off going to jail, they usually turn out worse. Are there some people that are just evil and won’t ever conform to societal norms? Of course. But that doesn’t meant we don’t try
My uncle was a two time warden at two state penitentiaries. According to him, an expert in this, rehab is a joke and another prog lib fantasy. It’s been tried repeatedly and is a proven policy failure. Violent criminals go to prison and learn...how to be better criminals.
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Get rid of mandatory minimum sentencing.
For non violent crimes I agree. For violent ones, especially those committed with a deadly weapon, the current mins are too low. Get caught carrying an illegal gun - 20 years. Armed robbery 20 years, etc. Third armed felony - life. Get the career violent offenders and super predators permanently off the street. If George Floyd was still in prison where he belonged after his fifth imprisonment, last one for armed robbery, none of this would be happening.
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Decriminalize drugs and sex work
There a cost to society in having coked up folks running the streets and even driving on them. The line on what is acceptable has to be drawn somewhere. Can’t see how much beyond pot could be discussed rationally.
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Create more mental health facilities where mentally unstable can go instead of jail.
So this would only work if the mentally ill could be forced into these facilities and held. They’re not going voluntarily. If you’ve been to San Francisco or Seattle lately it would amaze you how many of the homeless are severely mentally ill, and clearly unable to make responsible decisions for themselves. It’s inhumane to leave these helpless people on the streets but prog libs do it...can’t violate their rights...even if they’re clearly unable to care for themselves. We don’t leave 5 year olds to fend for themselves...
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