Let's look at Europe by comparison and specifically the trades. That is, carpentry, plumbing, welding, general contracting, etc. Traditionally male jobs.

The trades in Europe are more "professional" and sought after. They require more licensing and apprenticing. In the states, these professions are looked down on by white males despite the money being very good... and now we have immigrants taking proportionally more of those jobs. This is also true of shopkeeping. How many gas stations, restaurants, etc. are run by white dudes vs. Indians and other immigrants compared to 40 years ago?

A stigma has developed with many traditionally male-centric blue collar jobs. Everyone decided they wanted to rise up the corporate ladder instead. Now a lot of them are home in mom's basement waiting on IBM to call.

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Posted by RogerTheShrubber

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Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:15 am to TejasHorn

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In the states, these professions are looked down on by white males despite the money being very good

Not everywhere.
Southern college educated people are faaaar more image conscious than some other areas of the country. The OT isn't very representative of views around the country.

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Posted by auggie

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Posted on 3/23/18 at 10:17 am to TejasHorn

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How many gas stations, restaurants, etc. are run by white dudes vs. Indians and other immigrants compared to 40 years ago?

A stigma has developed with many traditionally male-centric blue collar jobs. Everyone decided they wanted to rise up the corporate ladder instead. Now a lot of them are home in mom's basement waiting on IBM to call.

That is my long term goal,to have a business where I get to interact with the public and be myself.
What I want to do,is going to require a pretty large financial risk,and I am working to have that cushion.

The thing about catering to people is: most are a royal pain in the arse,but there will be some mixed in there that are like finding gold.
Plus,you get the opportunity to influence the way that people think about things,if you are tricky enough.

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Posted by SlowFlowPro

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Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:28 pm to TejasHorn

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The trades in Europe are more "professional" and sought after. They require more licensing and apprenticing. In the states, these professions are looked down on by white males despite the money being very good... and now we have immigrants taking proportionally more of those jobs. This is also true of shopkeeping. How many gas stations, restaurants, etc. are run by white dudes vs. Indians and other immigrants compared to 40 years ago?

a big reason for this is our lack of a tiered society

in the UK, if you're not in that upper class you're not pushed to go to college (and in many cases, it isn't even an option with their educational tracking). so for that lower class culture, being a tradesman is one of their more prestigious employment opportunities

same with SE Asians and being in the merchant class. that opportunity is much more present here in the US and with it, their children have an opportunity to rise classes (which isn't nearly as available in India and Pakistan)

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