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re: Why are guns a right in the Constitution but not affordable housing?

Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:46 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94731 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:46 am to
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The topic wasnt free, it was suggested AFFORDABLE, which means you still have to work and pay for said house.


Most states, rent is $750 to $1000. A married couple who are both working can afford that. If you're single, you might need to find a roommate if you're unskilled/underemployed.

I don't know how you guarantee "affordable" housing without the government running the housing market. So, think VA or DMV quality and "expensive-for-what-you-get". The private sector isn't perfect, but it's the best system we know of.
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
5933 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:47 am to
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Calling someone “stupid” for asking a question, yea not a personal attack at all.
No one is calling you "stupid". We're just pointing it out. It's cruel that no one has told you before.

I know you came in here thinking you were going to teach us a thing or three. So we can start with that - you were asking a rhetorical question, meaning you weren't looking for an answer. But you strolling in like you were going to school us is like...

Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16172 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:48 am to
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There places with no guns. Not banned but prevented. Look at Australian buy back program


They were locking people up for being outside during COVID. You want that too?

It’s also illegal to have a knife in Australia..it’s illegal to play any games in public that offend other people.it’s illegal for minors to buy cigars but fine for them to smoke it... in the province of Victoria, you have to hire an electrician to change a light bulb….it’s illegal to dress up as Batman or robin… hell! It’s illegal to touch electrified wires.
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
9216 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:50 am to
The main form of "Affordable Housing" I am in favor of is building more prisons to lock up the degenerates and keep them locked up and out of society.

The great majority of the "affordable" or gov't subsidized housing are dens for drug dealers, gangs and other dregs of society.

As for the term "living Minimum Wage", that is a campaign slogan because it can't be defined.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
15639 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:51 am to
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Im just worried about the future homeless that shoot up schools :(

What?

Can we first establish the causal relationship before you start worrying?
Posted by CHGAR
Haile, LA
Member since Aug 2022
1246 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:52 am to
Anything that obliges others to provide is not a right.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94731 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:52 am to
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I'd like to see the correlation between the decline of mental institutions and rise of homeless people.



There was an interesting political phenomenon - admittedly, many mental hospitals in the U.S. were in bad shape by the late 1970s and the worst of them closed with no national excess capacity to absorb them. These folks created a new and alarming to average folks crisis. It was daily news in the 1980s (with the MSM putting the blame on Reagan). By the 1990s, the problem was relatively stable, but likely due to political leanings of the MSM, these stories disappeared almost overnight with the election of Clinton.

The worst of the problems (schizophrenia, psychosis, etc.) have been mitigated, to a degree, by more effective treatment. But, as we continue to ease up on drug abuse (particularly hard drugs), there is an entirely new class of "voluntary" homelessness. And 225 thinks we should fix this by going full communism.

:boldstrategycotton:
Posted by 225life
Member since Feb 2018
59 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:54 am to
You have clearly think i have higher expectations for you when i dont. Shut up
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36611 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:55 am to
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There are debates surrounding if guns or abortion should be rights but no one is rallying to end homelessness constitutionally. Why is that? Don’t give me shite like the government doesn’t care, citizens can make the government care. Don’t give me administration vs. administration, the housing crisis includes everyone.



because doing so would require the theft of labor or taxes from others to make it happen.

you are against slavery and theft right?



but let me ask you a question....in 2nd grade were you not told yo do good in school? what about 5th...were you not reminded?

in HS when you were going to skip days and others were talking chem, physics and calculus test....those parties were fun right? those week nights were you went out partying with friends while other stayed home and studied....that was fun right????

well you are now see the consequences to those decisions you made starting all the way back in elementary through hs. you made fun of the kids paying attention calling them nerds to make yourself fell better.....well those students made decisions to better themselves and to embrace delayed gratification...you made the decision to enjoy life in the moment and to YOLO as the kids like to say.....well enjoy those decisions and embrace being poor. nobodies fault but your own.
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
56646 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:55 am to
But you do have a right not to be fricked out of 40% of your paycheck by the federal government so they can turn around and lend money back to the banks to lend to you at 10% to buy a house or a car or whatever else you want! If the government would leaves people money alone people wouldn’t need their help but then those frickers and their banker buddies would have to work a real fricking job and their not qualified to do that.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16172 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:58 am to
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You have clearly think i have higher expectations for you when i dont. Shut up


Equals:



Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18125 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:58 am to
Lot of homeless want to be homeless. Don't look down on them.


There are a lot of programs available to help the homeless who don't want to be homeless. If I'm ever homeless one day, I'll take advantage of some of those programs in my city.

Government(fed and state) can do a lot more things, but they are bogged down with inefficiency.

Take Medicaid and Medicare for example, a lot of scammers have exploited that shite over the years and have stolen money. 6 months after my uncle died, we received a receipt telling us that some small medical supply shop successfully bought an electric wheelchair for him for $8k through either Medicare or Medicaid (I forget which). We reported that shop, but before law enforcement could do anything, that shop packed up and the owners ran away. I imagine there're motherfrickers like that in every town and city. Stealing taxpayer money through fraud. If the fraud was taken care of, they could probably expand both Medicaid and Medicare to encompass a larger percentage of the population who need help, and it would probably be cheaper than what they are having to deal with now, with the countless fraud shops.

Posted by PollyDawg
Member since Jul 2021
1103 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:05 am to
Minimum wage has become a wedge issue for politicians to make promises with and buy votes, but it was never meant to provide a so-called living wage, and it can't...no matter the promises.

Whenever minimum wage goes up, costs to the business owners go up, consumers buy less, businesses cut costs by hiring less... on and on the cycle goes.

There are affordable ways to keep a roof over your head, such as living with others and sharing costs.. but most don't want to sacrifice privacy.
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
5933 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:06 am to
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You have clearly think i have higher expectations for you when i dont. Shut up
One more reason you're an idiot: you have no idea what your expectations should be. Sure, here you say "shut up", but in the real world it's "yes sir, no sir, I'm so sorry sir, yes sir I'll get the manager."
Posted by 225life
Member since Feb 2018
59 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:06 am to
Ill let you win if you think i was battling you. :(
Posted by 225life
Member since Feb 2018
59 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:07 am to
Excuse me, youre off topic. ;)
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
5933 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:08 am to
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Ill let you win if you think i was battling you. :(
Like New Mexico let LSU win?
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6311 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:08 am to
You argue that homelessness is because housing is unaffordable. Are you trying to solve homelessness or subsidize rent to lower income?

We have answered your initial question. The constitution is a document limiting govts infringement or power over certain things in life.
-Free speech: govt can't infringe on the free press, but it doesn't have to buy the presses
-Gun ownership: govt can't infringe on our right to own weapons. It doesn't have to buy our guns.

The constituion allows us to pursue a life we see fit through wages, labor, and we can pursue ownership of property (life, liberty, & pursuit of happiness) without the govt infringing on our ability to do so. It doesn't have to provide us with the finances or homes. That is not the govts job.
You look at the constitution all wrong. It limits govt powers. It doesn't grant us rights
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35682 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:10 am to
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There are debates surrounding if guns or abortion should be rights but no one is rallying to end homelessness constitutionally. Why is that? Don’t give me shite like the government doesn’t care, citizens can make the government care. Don’t give me administration vs. administration, the housing crisis includes everyone.


What’s your proposal to constitutionally address housing? Don’t just whine. Put something out there
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
5933 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:10 am to
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What’s your proposal to constitutionally address housing? Don’t just whine. Put something out there
He's probably asking his boyfriend's advice on how to respond.
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