re: Why All The Hate For Nick Fuentes?

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They seized his bank account (~$500K) and put him on the no fly list and the FBI investigated.

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That's right, I forgot about this.

Some of his most vocal haters actually took up for him over this.

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From my understanding, I think it is because they say he encouraged people to go into the Capitol and was "inciting" violence

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Fuentes was not outside of the Capitol. He was several blocks away, and he never told people to enter the building. That is false. He was subpoenaed by the J6 committee, who found he didn't commit any crimes.

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Fuentes was not outside of the Capitol. He was several blocks away, and he never told people to enter the building. That is false. He was subpoenaed by the J6 committee, who found he didn't commit any crimes.

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Thanks for the info!

Crazy that he still got his bank accounts frozen and put on the no fly list yet Ray Epps was literally filmed telling folks to go into the Capital and nothing has happened to that guy.

The world of influencers is a shitty group of self serving puds.

100% of all of these people are only interested in one thing and that is grabbing all the money they can off of monetization of content.

That 100% of the time leads to saying dumb controversial shite to get high volume movement.

Fuentes is no different. Sure he saying some things that have validity but over whiningly he's a trying to steer high volumes of traffic through his platform to gain the highest possible monetary return.

I'm not saying this is factually true, but just what I have heard from people who actually believe this.

While I haven't actively avoided Fuentes, I don't think I've listened to more than a snippet here or there. So take my criticism with a grain of salt... I don't know his takes well enough to challenge him on his positions.

That being said, on the surface, there may be legitimate reasons to be wary of him. Just looking at this Wikipedia entry on "groypers" (a Pepe-esque sort of political mascot and group of Fuentes followers), there are a couple of eyebrow raising items:

Wikipedia- groypers

(Note: I don't consider Wikipedia an ideal source, but I'm not going to do a deep dive on this topic. And as I've said, I'm not all that familiar with Fuentes' work. So, Wiki is good enough here to make my point.)

From the link:

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What was later dubbed "The Groyper War" began in the fall of 2019, when Fuentes launched a social media campaign targeting Turning Point USA's "Culture War" college tour, led by Charlie Kirk. Enraged by the firing of a Fuentes ally as well as other political conflicts, Groypers disrupted college events by asking provocative questions on immigration, Israel, and LGBT rights, in an attempt to challenge mainstream conservative figures like Kirk, Donald Trump Jr., and Ben Shapiro, whom they labeled "Conservative Inc." The war gained traction after a November 2019 UCLA event where Trump Jr. was cut short by Groyper heckling, exposing divisions among conservatives. Fuentes expanded the movement with the Groyper Leadership Summit in December 2019 and the formation of America First Students in January 2020.

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If the above is true, and if you're a fan of Charlie Kirk, then there is reason for concern. I don't know which Fuentes ally Kirk fired, but nearly every account of Kirk suggests he is a standup guy who effectively used reason and compassion to connect to and persuade his opponents without resorting to hate speech. In contrast, many accounts of Fuentes paint him as someone who appeals to base instincts and uses inflammatory dialogue against certain groups. The appearance of the above excerpt suggests to me that Fuentes and his friends tried to infiltrate Kirk's TPUSA and degrade the quality of positive messaging it was promoting. Once Kirk parted ways with their ally, they took the mask off and began actively attacking the TPUSA events with hecklers and formed an alternative organization.

I am, of course, speculating. But the appearance of this turn of events gives credence to those who suspect Fuentes of being controlled opposition (a Fed).
- It appears Fuentes wanted to subvert the direction of TPUSA from positive persuasion to hate speech.
- It is clear that Fuentes and his allies attacked TPUSA.
- It appears the org started by Fuentes was meant to weaken TPUSA. If it were meant to be complementary, then they would not have disrupted TPUSA events.

Another curious excerpt:

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Fuentes has said, "We are the right-wing flank of the Republican Party". He has summarized his political ambitions by saying, "We have got to be on the right, dragging [Republicans] kicking and screaming into the future... Into a truly reactionary party".[28] In 2022, Fuentes advocated a "white uprising" to bring Donald Trump back to power and "never leave" and for the U.S. to "stop having elections" and abolish Congress.[29][30] But less than a year after Trump was reelected, Fuentes said "Trump 2.0 has been a disappointment in literally every way but nobody wants to admit it."[31]

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Again, I don't listen to Fuentes, so don't know how accurate these comments are or if more context is needed, but they're a bit out there.

Fuentes undoubtedly must have some talent or charisma to get as far as he has. I'm sure he has some ability to tailor his message to be more appealing when he needs to... and to this end, I'm also sure he's greedily looking at Kirk's audience and wanting to steal as much of it as he can. So, I would imagine he's on his best behavior at the moment.

It's also possible Fuentes may be maturing if you think he's reasonable in his most recent appearances. It could happen. I don't know enough about him to be against him, but I don't put a lot of stock into what he has to say, either.