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Who’s To Blame For The Deindustrialization Of Baton Rouge?

Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:27 am
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:27 am
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But Zachary’s economy has been based for a long time on heavy industry. Georgia Pacific’s paper plant at Port Hudson, just west of Zachary, is a major employer, and other smaller industrial concerns operating in and just out of the Zachary city limits have been responsible for a disproportionate share of the town’s employment



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That might be changing – and not in a good way. Last week, GP announced it was closing down part of its operations – shuttering a division at its plant making paper for printers and copiers, and laying off some 650 employees. Days later, BASF followed suit, announcing the closure of its chemical plant in Zachary at the loss of some 54 jobs by the end of 2019 and consolidating those operations at its larger facility in the Ascension Parish town of Geismar. And following on the heels of the BASF announcement a third manufacturer, Thompson Pipe, yesterday announced it was shuttering its facility in Zachary at the loss of 120 jobs. Thompson Pipe is consolidating its Zachary operations with a larger facility in Alvarado, Texas and moving those employees who are willing across the border to the Lone Star State. So that’s more than 800 jobs lost in a town of about 17,500 people. And they’re manufacturing jobs – meaning their footprint is massive. Some studies, including those cited by the Baton Rouge Area Chamber, peg the economic impact of a manufacturing job on the economy of an area at 10 to 1, or 10 jobs in supporting businesses for every one job at a manufacturing plant. If that’s even remotely true, losing 800 jobs in these three facilities could mean 8,000 jobs are now at risk.



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One reason why this trend seems to be building is something we’ve talked about over and over – it’s the business climate, stupid. Or, better put, it’s the stupid business climate. Louisiana, after all, hits industry with a whopping inventory tax. So if you’re making a product, if you don’t want to get slaughtered on costs you’d better get that product out of your warehouse in Louisiana as soon as it’s made. You’re also paying a corporate income tax in Louisiana that you’re not paying in Texas or Tennessee or Florida. And while property taxes are higher in Texas, in Louisiana we have a $75,000 homestead exemption that nobody else in the country has, which means business pays 80 percent of the property tax in the state. On top of that, this is one of the most overlawyered places in the civilized world; proof of that can be found on every billboard along the highway. And the highway is terrible, highlighting Louisiana’s inferior infrastructure. And let’s not even talk about the poor quality of the public schools and what that does to the quality of the workforce.



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To get around these things, and particularly the unfriendly tax climate, Louisiana’s politicians created the Industrial Tax Exemption Program, or ITEP. Through that program a business entity wishing to make a capital investment in an industrial facility can get a tax abatement for 10 years of property tax so long as Louisiana Economic Development and the state Board of Commerce and Industry are on board. But after taking office this state’s Democrat governor John Bel Edwards decided through an executive order to change that process and cut local governments in on the ITEP action, and in Baton Rouge that has been an abject disaster – with all of these economic development decisions now at least partially in the hands of parish councils and school boards the Alinskyite leftist group Together Baton Rouge has mounted an all-out assault on ITEP applications, with an eye toward convincing entry-level politicians with zero understanding of economic development that industrial actors seeking tax abatements for capital investments in Louisiana parishes are the bad guys. We’ve reported on TBR’s attempts to deny ExxonMobil ITEP applications. This week they’ve been crowing about the fact they managed to defeat an ITEP application for Georgia Pacific, which plans (or planned) a $42 million investment at its Port Hudson facility to make upgrades to its operations which aren’t being shut down. So for $772,000 in property tax swag which will undoubtedly be wasted by local governments, what do you think the reaction will be in the Koch Industries boardroom? Georgia Pacific has paper plants in lots of places, you know, and if they’re willing to shutter one division of their plant at Port Hudson because they don’t think it makes enough money anymore what makes you think they won’t shutter the rest of the plant and move its operations elsewhere?


Since I currently work at G.P. as an operator, this topic is very personal.
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:34 am to
Everyone in this region should take it personally. First the new investments stop, then the existing plants get sold off, run poorly, and eventually close. Together BR won't stop until BR is Detroit.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58040 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:35 am to
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Everyone in this region should take it personally. First the new investments stop, then the existing plants get sold off, run poorly, and eventually close. Together BR won't stop until BR is Detroit.


I don't understand what their objective is?
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14497 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:39 am to
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Since I currently work at G.P. as an operator, this topic is very personal.


So first of all, yikes. Are you going to lose your job? If so, that sucks. Hopefully those skills will translate and you will easily get another job.


Second, any inside perspective you can share will be more informed then most of the random musings you will see here.


That said, it isn't an easy thing to lay blame. I buy most of the plants explanations that there are factors external to Baton Rouge/LA driving their decisions. For example, reduction in paper use. To some extent.

But paper is still being made somewhere. And they decided to close this facility rather than another. BASF is keeping their Ascension plant open. And the pipe group is keeping their Texas operation open. So it isn't JUST market conditions.

I think the anti-business climate pushed by JBE and Together Louisiana at the state level in general, and pushed together Baton Rouge and tolerated by SWB in Baton Rouge in specific had to factor in the decision. That combined with a anti-business structure that existed before JBE and SWB.

Now I cannot put %'s on how much each factor was responsible. But I am sure each factor WAS responsible to at least some extent.

Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58040 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:44 am to
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Are you going to lose your job?


Well, the department I work in is not being shut down, and there is a fair possibility that I might keep my job. The union and company are stilll in negotiations, so its not a done deal.
But it also doesn't bode well for the future of the company if they plan on expanding the current Tissue and Towel departments, but will lose the property tax exemption.
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 9:46 am
Posted by braindeadboxer
Utopia
Member since Nov 2011
8742 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:44 am to
Together BR is a danger to anyone who earns their livelyhood through heavy industry and refining. Take a look at their Facebook page. Clueless morons who block you the first time you make a post calling out their lies.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118846 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:46 am to
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I don't understand what their objective is?


Apparently more tax dollars for the state and local governments.

But they don't understand that they are chasing away tax revenue sources because of their greed.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14497 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:47 am to
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I don't understand what their objective is?


Disclaimer: I don't believe this, just trying to explain.

Let's say that you think that corporations make a lot of money (duh). Then they use to that money to influence politicians. They influence them to pay less in taxes, not for policy reasons, but just to lower their bottom line and make more profit.

To you, this is about fighting the undue influence of businesses and getting more money to education and other needs of the people.

Again, this isn't my perspective, but I do try to understand the other side.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14497 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:48 am to
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Together BR is a danger to anyone who earns their livelihood


fify

Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58040 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:54 am to
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Let's say that you think that corporations make a lot of money (duh). Then they use to that money to influence politicians. They influence them to pay less in taxes, not for policy reasons, but just to lower their bottom line and make more profit.


But are the taxes paid in local taxes and local spending by the workers employed by these companies not greater than the tax revenues loss to the state by these exemptions?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26430 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:56 am to
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I don't understand what their objective is


To punish anything and everything with any amount of success or money in order to give the appearance of "fighting for social equality", despite never addressing any legitimate issues in the Parish.

They are catering to their constituency with soundbites of sticking it to the big bad corporations who have ruined the socioeconomic prosperity of North Baton Rouge
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:57 am to
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Who’s To Blame For The Deindustrialization Of Baton Rouge?


The people of Louisiana.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26430 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:58 am to
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Let's say that you think that corporations make a lot of money (duh). Then they use to that money to influence politicians. They influence them to pay less in taxes, not for policy reasons, but just to lower their bottom line and make more profit.


Long term, the tax revenues resulting from capital investment projects far outweigh the amount that the ITEP allows companies to "save".

I understand you're playing devil's advocate, but their position is not reasonable, and holds no basis in reality. Its short-term, punitive thinking.
Posted by jbond
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2012
4938 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:59 am to
I'm sure Trump will bring all those jobs back, just give him time
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58040 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:04 am to
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I'm sure Trump will bring all those jobs back, just give him time


I guess you think this post is cute, but despite my possible personal losses, Trump has the economy going better than the previous president and facts bare that out.
Posted by jbond
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2012
4938 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:06 am to
How'd the Dow do last year?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:13 am to
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Deindustrialization Of Baton Rouge
That's a bit Drama Queenish.

The paper mill partial shut down is a result of the decline in computer paper usage because of the use of e-documents rather than printed computer documents. That's just a product of today's technology efficiencies.

The piping company that announced it's consolidating its large drainage pipe operations in Texas was built years ago to provide the piping for the massive EBR sewer rebuild project that is nearing its completion.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52805 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:14 am to
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But are the taxes paid in local taxes and local spending by the workers employed by these companies n


Your also forgetting about the indirect benefits of these plants. Plant services, contractors, sales, etc... all of these jobs will dry up as well. So not only are you losing the direct costs of plant employees tax revenue, but you are also losing the taxes from services to that plant.
Then, you these unemployed people will seek UE benefits, which is a net drain on our taxes.
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:14 am to
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Together BR won't stop until BR is Detroit.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52805 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:15 am to
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How'd the Dow do last year?


Up about 6000 since Obama left office.
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