re: Who you want to win dem primary? The craziest who seems “unelectable” or the least harmful

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She doesn't play the muh Russians game, as she opposes the new Cold War with Russia that Dems want and she's a foreign policy non-interventionist, which drives the corporatist Dems at MSNBC and CNN crazy.

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Thanks SCL! I really know nothing about her. I've heard the name, but thats about it.

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Rand and Ron Paul are every bit as unserious and unrealistic about American foreign policy as the chickenhawk neocons in the GOP are.

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I'll grant you Papa Paul, but Rand is every bit the pragmatist in this regard. He's just not going to get any juice from the MIC.

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I'll grant you Papa Paul, but Rand is every bit the pragmatist in this regard.

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I love and respect Rand, even voted for him for president but I've concluded that while he's definitely an improvement over his dad, he isn't a whole lot better when it comes to maintaining American supremacy in the theater of geopolitics against Russia and China, especially when Moscow and Beijing is forming one hell of a partnership that's going to be trouble for us.

With that said, my two problems with the chickenhawk neocons and loony isolationists are as follows.

Neocons don’t understand human nature and do not respect the limits of American power and the blowback that it creates by forcing it in 3rd world countries that was only kept stable by a dictator or oppressive religion in islam, destabilizes and creates millions of refugees, misery and trillions of dollars down the drain.

The Paulites and isolationist libertarians don’t understand that the United States has national interests, allies in Europe and the mideast and responsibilities as the leading superpower of western civilization against geopolitical foes in Russia, China and yes even Iran which by the way requires a stable coalition of mideast states that includes Saudi Arabia and Israel.

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He's just not going to get any juice from the MIC.

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You know who else is not going to get that either?

Ted Cruz because he has the same positions that I do being an interventionist skeptical hawk.

I still think Bernie is the most dangerous candidate

I'm partial to Tulsi, but that's because she doesn't play the rah-rah enthusiasm, curated media game. She has a 0% chance IMO.

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Iraq was a disaster,

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The first one led by Bush 41 was not.

That was a smart exercise of geopolitics and restraint that chickenhawks refuse to practice.

They kept asking 41 why he refused to go after Saddam in Iraq when he had him on the ropes. They stopped asking him that question sometime around 2004-07.

Bush 41 was about as good as it gets for foreign policy in the GOP and a model to follow. His handling of the fall of the USSR and german reunification was fantastic too.

Reagan is up there as well.

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Afghanistan is a disaster, Libya is a disaster, Syria is a disaster,

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Agreed.

There was no legit reason to go all in to the level we did today.

The only case I can see being made is syria to decimate ISIS and that's it. Leave Assad alone.

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Yemen

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That's a proxy war with Iran for control of the straits, the gulfs, and Arabian sea.

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Egypt is a disaster.

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Agreed.

The arab spring was a neolib disaster that only benefited our geopolitical adversaries.

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Everywhere we stick our nose, coups and wars follow.

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You know who else does this?

Russia, China and Iran. They're sticking their noses in our own hemisphere propping up a failed state in Venezuela.

The Maduro regime has supported terrorists, given shelter to Hezbollah, and acted as a staging point for illegal migrants. The regime recently allowed Russian supersonic strategic nuclear bombers to use its airports. And they sell a lot of oil to china and NoKo as well iirc. It's been colluding with China and Russia to harm our strategic interests.

Geopolitics today is the world's super powers using proxy states as a battlefield against each other.

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Biden is the most readily electable and Warren the least. I'm leaning toward Beto he's from my home state, and is electable

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The dude called for tearing down the existing border wall. That's gonna be a tough sell to joe six pack

That^

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Open borders can only mean USA troops vs the cartels.

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How would that work? The cartels are not the ones who would face the troops. If the cartels even sensed that was being set up they would send waves of kids and babies crawling across the border with a swarm of photographers with close ups of crying children and scowling troops.