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re: Who wants to point out the flaws of this healthcare bill?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:17 am to BamaAtl
Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:17 am to BamaAtl
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It does.
It doesn't.
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See the topic in the first post of this thread for a good starting point.
That isn't necessary. The existence of a national health care system is independent from your ability to make charitable donations.
You didn't answer my other question, either. How's that manual sports car treating you? I wonder how many kids you could prevent from dying in the streets if you donated that.
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:18 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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The existence of a national health care system is independent from your ability to make charitable donations
But the ability of one person's charitable donations to match the spending of a national health care system is certainly relevant when you're saying to forgo the latter for the former.
Thanks for clearing that up, now we can get back to it.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:26 am to BamaAtl
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But the ability of one person's charitable donations to match the spending of a national health care system is certainly relevant when you're saying to forgo the latter for the former.
My mistake. I didn't realize you were the only person that cared. You're so fricking swell and you don't even know it.
Also, I didn't say to forgo a national health care system in favor of a solely charity-based system. That's just another BamaAtl lie.
How's that manual sports car?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:27 am to frogtown
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I HAVE BEEN HAMMERED WITH PRICE INCREASES since 2014. Hammered to the tune of 400%.
Impossible. Jimmy Kimmel said ACA lowered everyone's premiums.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:28 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I didn't say to forgo a national health care system in favor of a solely charity-based system.
You did, here.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:29 am to BamaAtl
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For those 30%, what in Graham-Cassidy makes you think they're any better off? Why are you opposed to working with Democrats to help that 30%, rather than screwing over anyone who might ever need health care in this country?
You don't get it. You never will. But I will try and explain it to you.
"Those 30%" are the people who are getting "unsubsidized" policies. They make too much too qualify for a subsidy. The average for all states for a single 40 year old getting an unsubsidized silver plan was $411/month in 2017. For argument sake will use that as our base line. Can you imagine adding an 81% increase to an already $411 per month plan. $700 plus per month premium for a 40 year old.
Guess what..."those 30%" have just been priced out of the market. They won't buy health insurance next year. They simply can't afford it.
This is happening everywhere. I myself have been priced out of the market here in Georgia. I have been buying individual market plans for years until last year I couldn't afford it.
The risk pools in the ACA individual markets are imploding. Too many chronically/sick/elderly/preexisting conditions in this pools. You need more younger/ healthier to buy policies. YOU NEED TO MAKE THE POLICIES CHEAPER so they can afford it. Otherwise you are in a permanent death spiral which will be "propped up" yearly with taxpayer cash infusions. This is where we are at now.
You need to get smart and realize there is no fix for Obamacare. You need to wrap you brain around that. Young people need to buy policies. They can't afford them after you mandated the hell out of them. Simple as that.
Graham/Cassidy allows states to wave mandates. This will make premiums cheaper. The ACA mandates kicked in in 2014. My policy went up almost 200% that year. That increase was mandate driven. So don't sit there and tell the ACA mandates make no difference in premium prices. I know better.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:29 am to BamaAtl
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You did, here.
No, I didn't. Stop lying.
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And if you become ill with a chronic condition that blasts through those limits quicker than you expected? Tough luck, time to die, right?
That's where you can step in and offer up some of your money, caring as you are.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:39 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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No, I didn't.
You did, and I brought the tapes!
Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:41 am to frogtown
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"Those 30%" are the people who are getting "unsubsidized" policies. They make too much too qualify for a subsidy.
And they're about 3% of the total US population. Let's work to help that 3%, instead of screwing over 100% of the population with Graham-Cassidy.
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The risk pools in the ACA individual markets are imploding.
Every unbiased analysis says you're wrong on this point. This is just not true in the US in 2017 in reality.
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there is no fix for Obamacare
Again, not true. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to you.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:42 am to BamaAtl
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instead of screwing over 100% of the population with Graham-Cassidy.
More lies. DAmn. You just can't help yourself.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:43 am to BamaAtl
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You did, and I brought the tapes!
I literally posted the quote for you.
You're trying to make A equal sports car, and it won't work. You know this.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:10 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I literally posted the quote for you.
I always appreciate when you prove my point for me.
Though I'm always amused that you don't realize you did just that, every time you do it.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:20 am to BamaAtl
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And if you become ill with a chronic condition that blasts through those limits quicker than you expected? Tough luck, time to die, right?
Well, I guess at that point I might be better off "with a pain pill," right?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:20 am to BamaAtl
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I always appreciate when you prove my point for me.
Though I'm always amused that you don't realize you did just that, every time you do it.
That didn't happen. Let me know which words are difficult, and we'll get those cleared up for you.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:26 am to skullhawk
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Jimmy Kimmel said ACA lowered everyone's premiums.
Jimmy Kimmel lied to our faces.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:00 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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That didn't happen
Except that it did. Now, you can accept that it did and we can move on, or you can keep denying reality.
Guess which one you'll choose?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:15 am to BamaAtl
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And if you become ill with a chronic condition that blasts through those limits quicker than you expected? Tough luck, time to die, right?
That's where you can step in and offer up some of your money, caring as you are.
...is not...
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forgo a national health care system in favor of a solely charity-based system
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:48 am to frogtown
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You need more younger/ healthier to buy policies. YOU NEED TO MAKE THE POLICIES CHEAPER so they can afford it.
I went on Healtchare.gov just to see what the policy would be for my wife and I. Both of us are 23, non tobacco users with no pre-existing conditions. The ideal people to help lower the risk pool. Here is the cheapest Bronze plan they have available.
$14,000 deductible and $4,600 annual premium. GTFOH!
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:59 am to Drunken Crawfish
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$14,000 deductible and $4,600 annual premium. GTFOH!
Don't you care about children and the poor getting healthcare for free you selfish bastard!?!?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 11:02 am to Adam Banks
Graham Cassidy removes individual mandate isn't that what everyone was bitching about?
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