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Who changed the Whistleblower rule ?

Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:25 am
Posted by jb4
Member since Apr 2013
13882 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:25 am
Haven’t heard but trump should be able to find out fast and release the info, why hasn’t this happened. Whoever did it should be fired and policy back to first hand knowledge of compliant
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 8:28 am
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:28 am to
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Haven’t heard but trump should be able to find out fast and release the info, why hasn’t this happened



Form was changed in 2018 too.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:32 am to
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Who changed the Whistleblower rule ?
It does not appear that any rule was changed at all. There was a small change in the formatting of one form, and an inaccurate paragraph was removed from the instructions for using that form.
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“It seems like they are jumping to a lot of conclusions based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the law, the regulatory framework, and the language on one form,” said Julian Sanchez, a senior fellow at the libertarian Cato Institute.
Here is a detailed article about the process surrounding the changes to the form in question.
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“There’s never been a requirement that a whistleblower have firsthand knowledge of what they’re reporting,” said Irvin McCullough, an investigator at the nonprofit Government Accountability Project (and the son of a former IC IG). “They need to have a reasonable belief. The firsthand information is usually gathered by the inspector general, as I believe did occur here.”

Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49474 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:28 am to
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information obtained during the preliminary review, however, supports the Complainant’s allegation that, among other things, during the call the President ‘sought to pressure the Ukrainian leader to take actions to help the President’s 2020 reelection bid.’”


OK - I'll accept the information that the 'rule' was changed in '18 and not just days before the recent allegation.

First question - have there been 'whitleblower allegations of urgent concern" prior to this which did not contain any "direct knowledge.?"

I can accept that confusing verbiage exists in routine forms - the question really is = what was the common understanding of the concept of "URGENT"?

What in fact is URGENT about the stuff the 'wb' heard from others - where those "others" were in higher positions than the 'wb' - had direct contact with the 'outrage' in real time - and ALL refused to raise any objection at the time or to come forward with their OWN 'urgent' whistleblower allegations.

When something is URGENT is it common sense to just mumble some stuff to a third party hoping that HE will 'do something to stop this URGENT matter?""

I call bulsshit on the entire concept of URGENCY - as well as the FACTUAL BASIS of this matter.

Now - back to the 'official' explanation of the 'rule change' - The common sense analysis of this whole thing demands that we consider the fact of "Obama holdovers working behind the scenes to make it easier to cripple and demean any action Trump tries to engage in - on the basis of alleged national security urgency."

We know that is the driving force behind all Obama deep state operative seeded thru out the government.

- relaxing the rules on sharing of sensitive data so that hundreds - not dozens - of IC personnel can LEAK sensitive info to the compliant media

- massively expanding the UNMASKING of 'US PERSONS" captured in routine surveillance of all foreign electronic communication - with an eye towards manufacturing some excuse to SPY on them

- incessant LEAKs between the deep state and the compliant media to keep some sort of "TREASON" before the public in a constant attempt to hobble the new administration and squelch any other matter from gaining traction in the public opinion.

etc etc etc.

The conspiracy to take down a duly elected president is long lasting - pernicious - and constant with lap-dog alliegaence with the media propaganda establishment.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 9:31 am
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
50729 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:32 am to
The Cato Institute is part of the liberal deep state.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:51 am to
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Cato Institute is part of the liberal deep state.
Dry humor is the best humor.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18556 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:53 am to
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Who changed the Whistleblower rule ?


Whoever it was is probably classified as a whistleblower now, so we'll never know.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:54 am to
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OK - I'll accept the information that the 'rule' was changed in '18 and not just days before the recent allegation.


It was revised in 2018 and in 2019
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:56 am to
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OK - I'll accept the information that the 'rule' was changed in '18 and not just days before the recent allegation.
It was revised in 2018 and in 2019
Again, it does not seem that the “rule” was changed at all ... only the formatting of a form and its instruction sheet.

The article I linked is rather long, bit quite informative.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39813 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:56 am to
Gina Haspel should have had to sign off on this before the policy change was implemented.
Posted by Gusoline
Jacksonville, NC
Member since Dec 2013
10883 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:15 am to
Seem? Either it was or it wasn't.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28012 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:06 pm to
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The Cato Institute is part of the liberal deep state.



Nope, just part of the open borders, never Trump crowd.

Honestly, if you don't know this you probably shouldn't attempt to make witty comments about them.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90286 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:09 pm to
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Seem? Either it was or it wasn't.
You see a bunch of seem, likely and appears with the LibbyHank crowd.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:12 pm to
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Form was changed in 2018 too.


Weird that after if was changed, it was changed back so soon to support the fake whistleblower ain’t it?

Why do you think that is?
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