re: Who are the substantive conservative influencers/minds in 2025

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For real?

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Greenwald is a legit investigator, while not conservative by any means by merely reporting objectively he has been massively influential and impactful on the right.

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This is flat out lie because the 10th amendment directly states that those which were not prohibited were the only ones given by the states. The fact states were getting away with things and the supreme court ruled in such a way doesn't mean that's how it was ever supposed to work. “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Because if the states are allowed to stomp on those rights, then you don't have them at all to being with. I don't know about you, buy my rights are God given.

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You’re confused by the structure. The constitution (as originally written/ understood, not as interpreted by leftist New Deal judges) gave the federal government enumerated powers. These were the only powers the federal government had. As you stated, everything else belonged to the state under the 10th amendment. Everything not regulated by the state then belonged to the people. I.e., if neither the state nor the federal government had the power to regulate it, then that authority/ discretion was left to the individual.

The bill of rights were limitations on the federal government. They were clarifications that notwithstanding any powers given to the federal government in the constitution, the federal government couldn’t violate that bill of rights.

Importantly, however, the bill of rights did not apply to the states. A state constitution could regulate speech or say you had to be a specific religion to hold office, or say who couldn’t own a gun.

It wasn’t until the 14th amendment that the bill of rights were incorporated to the states. This is called incorporation doctrine.

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The general welfare is defined in the constitution as the amendments themselves, and the general welfare clause gives congress permission to uphold them. It does not mean any bullshite you can claim is "for the good of the people". You sound like a communist who claims the state is the people. Jefferson argued specifically against your interpretation correctly saying that such a thing would render the Constitutions specific limits meaningless, effectively giving Congress unlimited power.

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It’s becoming increasingly clear that you don’t understand my position at all.

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You’re confused by the structure. The constitution (as originally written/ understood, not as interpreted by leftist New Deal judges) gave the federal government enumerated powers. These were the only powers the federal government had. As you stated, everything else belonged to the state under the 10th amendment. Everything not regulated by the state then belonged to the people. I.e., if neither the state nor the federal government had the power to regulate it, then that authority/ discretion was left to the individual.

The bill of rights were limitations on the federal government. They were clarifications that notwithstanding any powers given to the federal government in the constitution, the federal government couldn’t violate that bill of rights.

Importantly, however, the bill of rights did not apply to the states. A state constitution could regulate speech or say you had to be a specific religion to hold office, or say who couldn’t own a gun.

It wasn’t until the 14th amendment that the bill of rights were incorporated to the states. This is called incorporation doctrine.

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Ok fine, where is the list of things prohibited for the state governments according to the 10th amendment. Only Article 1, Section 10?

Most states instead extend further in giving such rights, not in taking them away. The opposite of your claims.

The fact some people have tried from day 1 to destroy our republic and distort any and every law to their own bias is not evidence of the actual meaning. If you want to know what the founders intended, you can read their opinions.

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So like I said, you aren't really conservatives. You're basically democrats who want democracy, not a republic of individual liberty.

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Your insane conflation of conservatism to radical individual liberty would be insane and unrecognizable by the authorities you appeal to in this thread.

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You want to force your culture, your traditions on the people of the United States

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My culture is the culture of the United States. My traditions are the traditions of the United States.

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The bill of rights were limitations on the federal government. They were clarifications that notwithstanding any powers given to the federal government in the constitution, the federal government couldn’t violate that bill of rights.

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Btw, does this mean when it stays the right of the people in the 2nd amendment, it means the right of the state?

Does this also mean freedom of press means only in international waters, or does it only mean in reporting things for the federal government?

Does the 3rd amendment mean the federal government isn't allowed to quarter troops in your home, but the state government is?

Does the 4th amendment mean that the state governments are allowed to have unreasonable searches and seizures, but the federal government can't?

Does the 5th amendment mean that you can be tried multiple times for a crime in a state government, but not for a federal government?

Does the 6th amendment mean the federal government must give you a speedy trial, but the state government can hold you indefinitely without charges?

Here is the text of the 10th Amendment:

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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

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Let’s break it down.

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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution

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In this clause “United States means the federal government, and the powers are the enumerated powers listed in the Constitution like the spending power, power to regulate interstate commerce, etc. So this clause deals with powers that are not listed in the constitution as having been given to the federal government.

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nor prohibited by it to the States

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The “it” here refers to the Constitution. So this clause refers to a list of powers that the constitution explicitly says States do not have. These are outlined in Article 1, Section 10:
- enter into treaties/ alliances
- coin money or emit bills of credit
- pass bills of attainder or ex post facto laws
- impair obligations of contracts
- lay duties on imports

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are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

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So everything that was not delegated to the federal government or expressly prohibited for the states resides with the states. If the states don’t touch it, then with the people.

Notably, the bill of rights is not applied to the states here. Hope this helps.

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Paul Joseph Watson. He's British but covers US politics.

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1. No, “right of the people” doesn’t mean “right of the state,” but it means a federal noninterference in a right the people already possessed in the context of maintaining a militia.

2. A state could (and some did) have established religions, restrict speech, or regulate the press, unless their own state constitutions forbade it.

3. Only applied to federal troops. A state government could, theoretically, pass a law allowing quartering of its militia in private homes unless prohibited by its own constitution.

4. State police could conduct unreasonable searches under federal law, though many state constitutions adopted similar protections independently.

5. Only federal prosecutions. States could have different standards for double jeopardy, grand juries, and self-incrimination.

6. States could — in theory — hold people indefinitely or deny jury trials unless their own constitutions prohibited it.

ETA: This is confirmed with the 1833 SCOTUS case Barron v. Baltimore

I’m sorry that you’re wrong and that you’re taking it this hard. If it helps, the 14th amendment was ratified and you don’t have to worry about these things.