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re: White House preparing for major narrative shift: sudden deaths = Long COVID, not the vaxx.

Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:31 am to
Posted by Boomdaddy65201
BoCoMo
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:31 am to
Burials are up 30%

Chalmette said and I quote:

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Can be explained by people deciding to have actual funerals which they couldn’t during the pandemic




This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 8:36 am
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
19261 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:31 am to
So I've had COVID for a year then all of a sudden I drop dead even though I feel fine. Makes perfect sense.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:32 am to
Just an FYI, here is what is published on the AMA's website about Long COVID:

quote:

Most people recover from SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, within a couple of weeks, but others may experience new or lingering symptoms, even after recuperating from COVID-19. Although, there is no universal clinical case definition for these lingering symptoms the CDC labels long COVID, also known as post-COVID conditions, as a wide range of new, returning or ongoing health problems people can experience four or more weeks after first being infected with SARS-CoV-2


LINK

In other words, you can't go into your doctors office, get a test and the results of the test say you are positive (or negative) for Long Covid. Right now Long Covid is just a term for people that feel bad after they had COVID. Never mind the fact that they could have felt just as bad before covid or covid exacerbated their already worsening metabolic syndrome condition. Right now, with no clinical definition, you can lump all kinds of symptoms into the amorphous term "long covid", even "sudden death". Politicians love when science or medicine provides them with terms that cannot be defined.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170316 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:34 am to
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ight now, with no clinical definition, you can lump all kinds of symptoms into the amorphous term "long covid", even "sudden death". Politicians love when science or medicine provides them with terms that cannot be defined.


You literally just linked to a definition
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:35 am to
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How is this a "narrative shift" of any sort?



The polling says: ‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines

The WH needs to shift "died suddenly" from covid 19 vaccines to Long Covid (or climate change).
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:35 am to
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COVID infectoin poses higher risk of myocarditis than vaccines


I would not trust anything out of England's medical establishment.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
41712 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:35 am to
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For delta yes


Their own documents say otherwise.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
41712 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:37 am to
Long Covid = Fibromyalgia part II.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:38 am to
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The explanation is pretty simple and the definition is almost implied. It's people who suffer long term effects after COVID infection. While rare it is in fact real and you're a moron if you think it isn't.




What clinical test can you give someone to determine if they have long covid or not?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170316 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:40 am to
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I would not trust anything out of England's medical establishment.


The study was done by the American Heart Association

I'm sure you don't trust them either

And there in lies the problem. No matter who makes this claim or what study is produced you'll find a way to not trust it. And it's fine to be skeptical. But if you shoot down literally every study that goes against what you want to believe are you really being honest with yourself?
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:40 am to
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You literally just linked to a definition


He linked to an explanation on the AMA's website that there is no definition.

"Although, there is no universal clinical case definition"

I'm starting to think you are either an insane vax zealot, really dumb, or some extremely dangerous combination of both.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:43 am to
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You literally just linked to a definition


Read it again and pay close attention to these words, " there is no universal clinical case definition".
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:43 am to
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The study was done by the American Heart Association


Holy fricking shite dude, you literally can't even read.

quote:

The overall risk of myocarditis – inflammation of the heart muscle – is substantially higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than it is in the weeks following vaccination for the coronavirus, a large new study in England shows.

The detailed analysis of nearly 43 million people was published Monday in the American Heart Association journal Circulation.

"We found that across this large dataset, the entire COVID-19-vaccinated population of England during an important 12-month period of the pandemic when the COVID-19 vaccines first became available, the risk of myocarditis following COVID-19 vaccination was quite small compared to the risk of myocarditis after COVID-19 infection," the study's lead author, Martina Patone, said in a news release. She is a statistician at the University of Oxford Nuffield Department of Primary Health Care Sciences in England.


PUBLISHING in an American journal has no bearing on where the study was held or who actually performed the study.

Again, the "statistical analysis" (which can be bullshite in and of itself even when no malice is intended) was performed in England by English researchers.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170316 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:44 am to
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Holy fricking shite dude, you literally can't even read.

Sorry was skimming over it and didn't read closely enough

Calm your tits
Posted by Cooterlane
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2022
1409 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:44 am to
Which vax is killing the most people?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170316 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:50 am to
Is it really important that we have some well defined clinical definition?

We know the phenomena exists
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
59991 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:50 am to
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Can be explained by people deciding to have actual funerals which they couldn’t during the pandemic


They still had to be buried back then you retard

It’s not like we had millions of corpses lying around for two years waiting on the laws to change and allow public funerals
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
17483 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:54 am to
Power bottom is damn near the dumbest poster on this board...and that's saying a lot considering he is competing with the likes of Tsoy,lakesoy, cuckmill, cuck Celtic, Tigerdoc, pernod, etc.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:55 am to
Anyway, this is a thread on narrative politics. Posting all the scientific studies proving one way or the other is not the point.

The point is this:

1. Polling (and a lot of anecdotal evidence including on this website, other social media websites, financial industry, etc.) suggest a link between "died suddenly" with the covid-19 vaccine.

2. The link between died suddenly and covid-19 vaccine (as a public perception, whether real or not) is potentially detrimental to political careers and industry that have advocated for and are financially and emotionally invested in the covid-19 vaccine.

3. The link between died suddenly and covid-19 vaccine must be broken to preserve and protect the covid-19 vaccine reputation by attaching "died suddenly" to long covid or climate change; two terms that politicians can use because they have plastic definitions.

This is a PR battle.
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 9:01 am
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
16885 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:59 am to
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The study was done by the American Heart Association

I'm sure you don't trust them either


They're bought and paid for by huge corporate interests, and no doubt take money from pharma (LINK They're one of many organizations that claimed that sugars and grains don't make you fat, it's eggs and steak. They're the ones that put "heart healthy" labels on bullshite food.
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