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re: Which of the following points do you disagree with?
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:20 am to tide06
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:20 am to tide06
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What difference does that make functionally to us either way unless the goal is to possess Iran in terms of an occupation?
It would have cost more money and likely a lot more American lives to put this action off, IMO. This war was going to happen regardless. It's just a matter of when, IMO. If you disagree, then thats cool.
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Because Israel was attempting to force us into a war that is going to provide us virtually no advantage and unless Iran wanted to drag us into it via escalation we could’ve avoided all of this?
When our bases start getting shot it, I'm pretty sure we don't care why. We're going to shoot back. And yes, precisely my point, Iran was undoubtedly going to drag us in by striking our bases in the area. That said, how are our advantages any different whether we strike preemptively, or if we wait till we are struck first?
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Yes. Because now Trump has his ego bruised and can’t walk away easily without losing face given his myriad of varying claims with regard to our war aims over there.
Now you're going off the deep end. Had we waited to take action after our first base was struck, how would things look any differently than they do now?
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How specifically can they project power beyond the region outside of shutting down the straits which we ourselves guaranteed would happen by our involvement and attempt at regime change?
They've already launched a missile that could have traveled 4000 mi (or km, I don't remember). But it could have reached just about anywhere in western Europe. How much more proof is needed than that?
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You’re either for regime change and willing to accept a full ground war to accomplish it (which is what all his advisors told him prior to getting involved) or you manage the threat as everyone else had by keeping the Stone Age death cult in their box via embargoes and worry about the 99 bigger issues we have facing us domestically and with regard to geopolitical concerns.
So you prefer to kick the can again. That certainly would have been an option, as we have proven for decades. And here we are.
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Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:24 am to aubie101
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The midterms are coming and he has to know he screwed himself. But the dude refuses to admit mistakes.
Let's say Trump came out and said that the last month was a mistake.
What would happen is you and all the others would join forces with the left and MSM to constantly talk about how Trump screwed up.
Now, how do you see midterms playing out if that happened? Surely, you can't see that having a positive impact.
Half of "conservatives" and all of the left would be running video of Trump saying he messed up 24/7. Anyone who takes even a second to contemplate that would have to come to the conclusion that it would not bode well for midterms. If they were rational.
You people attack Trump any chance you get even if you have to make shite up. But sure, let's trust your judgment on what Trump should do. You clearly put no thought into your comment.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:26 am to nealnan8
This is a fair opinion. But I have issue with calling their bluff after they've said they'd use it if they had it. World leaders generally don't make such claims unless they're willing to back them up... else they'd lose credibility and power among their own people. We can agree to disagree here. I'd prefer to not take my chances. I take them seriously.... they're irrational people.
At the very least, you have to give them credit for being a world nuisance. Such people with nuclear weapons makes them even harder to deal with. It increases their leverage and control on orders of magnitude. That should not be allowed to happen, IMO.
At the very least, you have to give them credit for being a world nuisance. Such people with nuclear weapons makes them even harder to deal with. It increases their leverage and control on orders of magnitude. That should not be allowed to happen, IMO.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:30 am to meansonny
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However, the only popular war is a victorious one.
Until it is victorious, expect TDS. Expect pinko pacifists without context or clarity.
While I've responded to a few, I don't particularly care for opinions of people with a true case of TDS. They're just as irrational as the Iranian leadership is.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:36 am to UtahCajun
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I apologize. I do not think they would use them. They are no more suicidal than the USSR was and they were the greatest threat to ever use nuclear weapons.
I don't KNOW that they'd use nukes. But I choose to believe them when they say they would.
The point about being suicidal has merit. But one difference between these people and the Russians is that while Iranians may not WANT to die at this particular moment, they're certainly more than willing to do so for their cause. That matters.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:42 am to blueboy
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This one is absurd. There is no arsenal Iran could build that could make them invulnerable to us. Even without nukes, we could level the entire country.
I stand corrected. Sure, they'd never be able to make themselves fully invulnerable to us. But the price in treasure, and especially American lives, would have been drastically more to do this at a later time.
And IMO, it was going to happen at some point. There was no total avoidance option. It's do it now or kick the can again.
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Maybe and if they think it's a big enough threat, they should have. Without us.
I've addressed this twice already. The result would have been worse than what we are seeing now.
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Not a chance.
100% chance. We can simply agree to disagree here. Irans bombing of their neighboring countries in locations where there are no Americans for miles should clue you in at least a little bit.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:45 am to deuceiswild
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I don't KNOW that they'd use nukes. But I choose to believe them when they say they would
Then they would be turned into atomic ash with a quickness.
Nukes have always been for one thing and that is deterence. Even in the two instances we used ours. Japan was suing for peace at the time we dropped our first. They were done. The USSR was not going to stop at Berlin. We dropped them to deter the Soviets and it did.
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The point about being suicidal has merit. But one difference between these people and the Russians is that while Iranians may not WANT to die at this particular moment, they're certainly more than willing to do so for their cause. That matters
They share an end time goal with both the Israelis as well as many modern Christians. The cause is the same.
Quick fact...Israel only has nukes because they stole the material from us. Why are they still our buddies?
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:53 am to UtahCajun
Most countries, such as Israel, are “nuclear” as a defensive deterrent.
The dangerous countries are those willing to use them preemptively. Israel has never threatened to do so. Iran has stated their desire to wipe Israel off the map.
The dangerous countries are those willing to use them preemptively. Israel has never threatened to do so. Iran has stated their desire to wipe Israel off the map.
Posted on 4/6/26 at 11:15 am to deuceiswild
Our gov’t has said the same thing about Iran since fricking Jimmy Carter was in office. That’s 50 years of no nuclear development and no war in Iran except the one we sponsored (Iraq invading).
This war is strictly to create a power vacuum for Israel. Period.
This war is strictly to create a power vacuum for Israel. Period.
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