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re: Where Does One US Tax Dollar Go?
Posted on 4/13/24 at 7:53 am to OceanMan
Posted on 4/13/24 at 7:53 am to OceanMan
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Reducing spending means cutting jobs.
And cutting welfare programs to people who feel entitled to them.
But yes, the initial job/spending loss would shrink GDP, which creates economic issues and lowers tax receipts. Long-term this strategy can work, but short-term it's going to make deficits worse.
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Someone like Trump that only has one term and a bone to pick with many federal agencies would be perfect to take this on, particularly in the face of inflation where it would ultimately benefit he economy. But he just won’t be able to drive Congress into doing this, he isn’t focused enough.
It's also not going to make a huge dent in spending and will cause negative outcomes for years until we can "turn a profit".
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I will say this unrelated to the president, social security and Medicare are absolutely broken systems that hold our entire tax system hostage
Correct, but they're popular b/c welfare is popular.
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Posted on 4/13/24 at 7:55 am to jimmy the leg
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Spending is a congressional issue.
Not vetoing it is an executive one.
This is how 2nd graders think.
Spending is negotiated by both houses and the President's admin. They all participate in the discussion, and all bear responsibility.
The only reason you get bills passed with a majority large enough to be "veto proof" is because of this pre-vote negotiation. An actual process like we were taught in 2nd grade would not have the same result. It would involve a lot more chaos and a lot closer votes.
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He is a Biden boy, he just doesn’t have the guts to admit it.
Naw. He's a super conservative who doesn't like how left Trump is and wants a more conservative option.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 7:57 am to Revelator
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Has there ever been a president who didn’t spend more than his predecessor?
We are just asking to slow it down. Is that so fricking hard???
Posted on 4/13/24 at 7:58 am to SlowFlowPro
There’s a number of people on here who dislike Trump for a myriad of different and sometimes overlapping reasons, all of whom are explained away as “Biden voters”. It allows the Cult to avoid addressing the fact that some people who aren’t shitlib Dems just don’t like him.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 7:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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And cutting welfare programs to people who feel entitled to them.
But won’t they just sidestep that by saying “I hereby declare that I do not feel entitled to welfare”?
Yes I know that may sound ridiculous, but it matches the original notion.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 7:59 am to davyjones
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But won’t they just sidestep that by saying “I hereby declare that I do not feel entitled to welfare”?
I'm willing to give up my SS if I didn't have to pay the tax anymore.
That's not a popular sentiment. The most common one is "pay me back all the taxes I have already paid, WITH interest", which is not, a declaration of giving up the entitlement
Posted on 4/13/24 at 8:01 am to Damone
Correct.
ronricks and I disagree on a lot of things, but I know where his political preferences lie.
ronricks and I disagree on a lot of things, but I know where his political preferences lie.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 8:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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This is how 2nd graders think. Spending is negotiated by both houses and the President's admin. They all participate in the discussion, and all bear responsibility.
Executive Orders bypassing that process greatly finish your point, while simultaneously validating mine.
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He's a super conservative
He is a Biden boy.
frick him.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 8:06 am to OceanMan
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Reducing spending means cutting job
Which is why it will not happen.
But it needs to. Economy needs to root out inefficiency and it will cost jobs.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 8:11 am to jimmy the leg
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Executive Orders bypassing that process greatly finish your point, while simultaneously validating mine.
EOs have literally nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with either post.
EOs are still restricted by spending agreements.
Those spending agreements are negotiated on the front-end.
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He is a Biden boy.
How is a person who wants a more conservative option than Trump a "Biden boy"?
Posted on 4/13/24 at 8:14 am to ronricks
If the worst thing Trump did was approve direct cash to citizens, he should win reelection by 50 million votes.
Yes it was dumb, but on the scale of dumb spending, I'd rather money go to Americans than Ukraine, Israel, or illegal aliens.
Yes it was dumb, but on the scale of dumb spending, I'd rather money go to Americans than Ukraine, Israel, or illegal aliens.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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How is a person who wants a more conservative option than Trump a "Biden boy"?
Because in this scenario, that isn’t a realistic possibility.
He continually shits on the more conservative of the only two (realistic) options, and has done so ever since he signed up.
Therefore, by his actions, he is undermining the more conservative option which equates to tacit support for the leftist option.
Hence, he is a Biden boy.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 8:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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EOs have literally nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with either post.
An EO can be used to bypass congressional opposition.
As has emergency declarations.
This post was edited on 4/13/24 at 8:28 am
Posted on 4/13/24 at 8:29 am to jimmy the leg
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Because in this scenario, that isn’t a realistic possibility.
How does this morph into a "Biden boy" though.
There is a huge gap (bigger than the gap between Trump and Biden) in wanting a more conservative option than Trump and supporting Biden.
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He continually shits on the more conservative of the only two (realistic) options, and has done so ever since he signed up.
And? He's not supposed to want an actual conservative and he won' pretend that Trump/MAGA is conservative. What's wrong with that?
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Therefore, by his actions, he is undermining the more conservative option which equates to tacit support for the leftist option.
Support our leftism or you support their leftism.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 8:31 am to jimmy the leg
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An EO can be used to bypass congressional opposition.
This isn't even true.
An EO can be used in conjunction with Congressional act to act in the face of Congressional inaction.
Congress controls what EOs can be issued because the executive authority is granted to the President by Congress. If Congress opposes the action, they can change the law itself.
But this has nothing to do with spending agreements. Literally nothing.
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As has emergency declarations.
When?
And, again, how does this apply to spending agreements in any way?
Posted on 4/13/24 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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This isn't even true. An EO can be used in conjunction with Congressional act to act in the face of Congressional inaction.
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Seizing the power of his podium and his pen, U.S. President Donald Trump on Saturday moved to bypass the nation's elected lawmakers as he claimed the authority to defer payroll taxes and extend an expired unemployment benefit after negotiations with Congress on a new coronavirus rescue package collapsed.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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As has emergency declarations.
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When?
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President Trump on Friday declared a national emergency to bypass Congress and spend roughly $8 billion on barriers along the southern border, a big step toward building his long-promised wall that also comes with significant political and legal risk.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Support our leftism or you support their leftism.
I can’t imagine being disingenuous enough to equate Trump and Biden.
You do you though.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:03 am to jimmy the leg
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Seizing the power of his podium and his pen, U.S. President Donald Trump on Saturday moved to bypass the nation's elected lawmakers as he claimed the authority to defer payroll taxes and extend an expired unemployment benefit after negotiations with Congress on a new coronavirus rescue package collapsed.
He wasn't "bypassing Congressional objection", as they already ceded that power to him. If they truly objected, they could have changed the statute giving him the authorization.
Posted on 4/13/24 at 9:03 am to jimmy the leg
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President Trump on Friday declared a national emergency to bypass Congress and spend roughly $8 billion on barriers along the southern border, a big step toward building his long-promised wall that also comes with significant political and legal risk.
Same as above. Congress didn't object, as they gave him the power. If they objected, they could have changed the law. That would display their actual objection.
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