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Posted on 2/21/25 at 11:59 am to Yaboylsu63
quote:I don't think it would be wise to stop all subsidies at once but give everyone say a 5 year notice and cut them 20% per year. At the end of 5 years the best run farms will survive Food prices might go up but the money saved on subsidies will more than offset that.
I’m uneducated on the subject but I remember reading a ton of large subsidies go to the food manufacturers that produce junk food due to welfare.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:00 pm to deltaland
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Now isn’t a good time to go after farmers, they’re struggling bad as it is.
So we should let the farmers who are abusing the system continue to rip off the taxpayers because the farmers had a bad year last year? Typical farmer attitude and precisely the problem with farmers. We are in a tight situation so do not look into us and see if some of us may have been taking advantage of the system.
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Several rowcrop operations around my catfish farm just closed up and auctioned their equipment and are either selling or leasing the land.
Funny I was visiting my grandparents' graves in Ruleville Ms not that long ago and I saw a f**k ton of new $80,000 pickups driving around. The school pickup line at North Sunflower Academy had quite a few new looking suburbans. If the farmers in the Ms delta are anything like the farmers in northeast Louisiana then they have bigger houses than doctors with $150,000 of vehicles in the drive and are up at the USDA, paying for CPAs to come up with ways so that they do not pay income taxes on good years, and running farm diesel in their vehicles to avoid paying fuel taxes. At the same time they are at the FSA office every other day signing up for every new program.
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Lot of family farms about to land in the hands of Blackrock, Gates, etc
It’s sad to see.
It is sad to see but it is a game as old as time but how is that different than the hospital in Yazoo City not not being able to keep itself open and being taken over by Baptist Medical System or St Dominic's Hospital in Jackson not being able to support itself and being bought by Our Lady of the Lake?
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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They cant eat it all, goober. Would you rather they throw it away?
"The annual limit for subsistence salmon fishing in the Copper River District of Alaska is 15 salmon for a household of one, 30 for a household of two, and 10 for each additional person. A permit is required, and only one permit is issued per household per year. "
I could eat 30 in a month, myself. Who's the goober?
quote:Very little? Doesn't seem to be living off the land. Seems to be more supplementing food supply.
spends very little at the grocery store.
quote:Any day you want to take me up on my bet, let me know.
One day you city boys will learn food dont come from the grocery store
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:05 pm to WeeWee
Yeah, they subsidize farmers to keep on producing so there is domestic capacity should we ever need to go "fortress mode" so to speak.
Hard to call people who put in a lot of tough labor and take on considerable debt to do it (you seen the prices of some of this ag equipment lately?) "welfare queens." Just my opinion.
The government handing folks money is not always a bad thing. It's about the ROI. Sometimes that ROI is a long game to make you resilient against famine, drought, or global markets for foodstuffs.
Hard to call people who put in a lot of tough labor and take on considerable debt to do it (you seen the prices of some of this ag equipment lately?) "welfare queens." Just my opinion.
The government handing folks money is not always a bad thing. It's about the ROI. Sometimes that ROI is a long game to make you resilient against famine, drought, or global markets for foodstuffs.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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metrosexual.
Considering you pretend to be so smart, you're awfully dumb. Even if I was "metrosexual" it's better than being a homo bottom like you...
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:08 pm to RollTide4547
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"The annual limit for subsistence salmon fishing in the Copper River District of Alaska is 15 salmon for a household of one, 30 for a household of two, and 10 for each additional person.
Wrong. Chitna and Glennallen fisheries allow 25 with 10 per additional household member.
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A head of household is allowed 25 salmon, and for each additional household member the household is allowed 10 more salmon.
You can only do one fishery (Glennallen or Chitna) but you can also dipnet the Kenai.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:08 pm to RollTide4547
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Even if I was "metrosexual" i
At least you acknowledge it, Niles.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:10 pm to WeeWee
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Farmers knew that the weather was going to affect their income when they decided to become farmers. Why do farmers get to buy risk protection insurance (aka crop insurance) when other business do not?
Because farmers work with the risk of act of god calamities. How do you spell June hail storms?
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:13 pm to LARancher1991
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I'd also like to know which farmers are getting these benefits
It is published online. Just click here and type in your zipcode.
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it only big corporation farms or small family farms
What do you consider a small family farm and what is your definition of a big farm? I looked up my hometown and two brothers who have a farm partnership and farm under their own names have received over $1,000,000 per year in direct subsidies from the federal government since 1995 when you add up their different entities. That is not including crop insurance payouts or the amount of money the federal government has subsidized their crop insurance.
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I can say I haven't received my check from the government yet.
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Direct Government farm program payments are those made by the Federal Government to farmers and ranchers with no intermediaries. Most direct payments to farmers and ranchers are administered by the USDA using the Farm Bill but can also come from supplemental programs authorized by the U.S. Congress. Government payments discussed here do not include Federal Crop Insurance Corporation (FCIC) indemnity payments (listed as a separate component of farm income) and USDA loans (listed as a liability in the farm sector’s balance sheet). Direct Government farm program payments are forecast at $42.4 billion for 2025, a $33.1-billion increase above the $9.3-billion total forecast for 2024.
LINK You need to make better friends with your local USDA office because there is a lot of money out there. You just ain't filling out the right papers.
ETA: As you can see by the chart above. The projected payments farmers will get because the "government is manipulating the price" is a small percentage of the total projected payments to farmers for FY25. All other payments is the majority of it. That includes subsidies and payments for not growing a certain crop or for growing planting a cover crop just to kill it one later.
This post was edited on 2/21/25 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Chitna and Glennallen fisheries allow 25 with 10 per additional household member.
So a family of 4 could legally get 55 salmon. They weight 4 lbs? You'd get 2.5 lbs of meat. 150 lbs? I kill a beef off my land every year. A 900 lb calf produces about 350-400 lbs of meat depending on how you cut it. My wife and I grow a huge garden, around 2 acres. Corn, green beans, peas, pinto beans, tomatoes, potates, okra, squash, cucumbers, jalapenos, green peppers, etc. We can pretty much every weekend during the summer and freeze dry the extra and we still purchase food from the grocery store.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:16 pm to Diego Ricardo
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The government handing folks money is not always a bad thing. It's about the ROI. Sometimes that ROI is a long game to make you resilient against famine, drought, or global markets for foodstuffs.
The government is literally paying my family not to grow cotton because they are wanting to help build ties with countries in Central Asia. USAID is handling the payments to the central Asian countries but the USDA is the one writing the checks to my family members.
This post was edited on 2/21/25 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:16 pm to WeeWee
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I looked up my hometown and two brothers who have a farm partnership and farm under their own names have received over $1,000,000 per year in direct subsidies from the federal government since 1995 when you add up their different entities.
Agriculture needs to be looked at. But the solid midwest will become less solid when farmers get their panties in a wad.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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At least you acknowledge it, Niles.
At least you didn't argue with being a homo bottom.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:20 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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I looked up my hometown and two brothers who have a farm partnership and farm under their own names have received over $1,000,000 per year in direct subsidies from the federal government since 1995 when you add up their different entities.
Agriculture needs to be looked at. But the solid midwest will become less solid when farmers get their panties in a wad.
Back during the early part of the pandemic there were videos of dairy farmers in Wisconsin letting milk spoil and then disposing of it the instead of selling it at a lower price. If they sold it at a lower price they could not claim disaster assistance but if they let it sit in the trucks and claim "logistical issues" they could get reimbursed by Uncle Sam.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:24 pm to RollTide4547
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So a family of 4 could legally get 55 salmon
From one fishery, yes.
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They weight 4 lbs?
No, youre in way over your head, city boy. Sockeye are larger. Probably average 16 filets per sockeye.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:26 pm to WeeWee
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Back during the early part of the pandemic there were videos of dairy farmers in Wisconsin letting milk spoil and then disposing of it the instead of selling it at a lower price. If they sold it at a lower price they could not claim disaster assistance but if they let it sit in the trucks and claim "logistical issues" they could get reimbursed by Uncle Sam.
All in the interest of having abundant food on the table at what used to be reasonable prices.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Sockeye are larger.
We were talking about Copper River Reds, focus. Even if you provided all the meat you could eat, you can't provide all the vegetables and greens. I have May June July August and part of Sept growing season and can't. Some things we like to eat don't grow in our area.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:31 pm to RollTide4547
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We were talking about Copper River Reds, focus.
What the frick do you think Reds are, City boy?
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Sockeye salmon (Oncorhynchus nerka) is also known as "red salmon"
Posted on 2/21/25 at 12:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What the frick do you think Reds are, City boy?
A Copper River Red Salmon, also known as a Sockeye Salmon, typically weighs between 4 and 6 pounds. Might want to try google there bottom boi.
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