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re: When Did This Board Become The Arrogant Prog "Gotcha" Thread Board

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Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:50 am to
The social contract

Taxation isn't theft

Some notions of collectivism aren't automatically full-blown socialism

Those three makes me prog filth around here. Yet the only Democrat I've ever voted for is JBE
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 10:51 am
Posted by Iosh
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:51 am to
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What are some essential planks of a "moderate liberal" platform/philosophy? Give me 2-3.
- Pragmatic capitalism with a tight safety net
- Lowered barriers to trade
- Taco trucks on every corner
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:51 am to
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Link me to the right rioting because they lost an election.

Are you going to really act like the response of the left after the election is typical/acceptable behavior?



He is talking about this board.

Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:51 am to
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Just a reaction to the fricking clownshow we've witnessed in the White House the past 7 months.


All we have seen are media gotcha attempts trying to undermine the administration and the lap dogs on the left drink it up.

It really is strange to me that people can't just move on with their lives after a lost election. The spoiled brat mentality is pretty embarrassing.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:52 am to
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The social contract


What's that?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:54 am to
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It really is strange to me that people can't just move on with their lives after a lost election. The spoiled brat mentality is pretty embarrassing.


99.9% of people that did not vote for Trump wake up everyday and continue to live their lives just like they did before Trump became POTUS

They might go on some FB rants on occasion, but people are most certainly "moving on with their lives"

Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:54 am to
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He is talking about this board.


The left's behavior on this board is a microcosm and mirror of the left's behavior throughout the country since the election.
Posted by TooFyeToFly
Atlanta, Georgia
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:54 am to
For those that don't wanna read the whole thread, here is the prized nugget

quote:

That's because liberals are on the wrong side of history. Absolutely nothing wrong with trolling people who are inherently evil
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:55 am to
Google it
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:55 am to
quote:

The left's behavior on this board is a microcosm and mirror of the left's behavior throughout the country since the election.


cool

Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 11:00 am to
quote:

Google it


Seems more than a bit subjective, so I was just wondering what it meant to you.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 11:01 am to
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Salmon doesn't "drive by gotcha" bro

Yeah his wife drives him everywhere
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 11:03 am to
*husband
Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
67069 posts
Posted on 7/20/17 at 11:07 am to
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The social contract


What's that?


Government and rights exist as a mutual social compact between the governed for their own benefit. Basically, we all agree to surrender some autonomy to government in order to keep the peace and have a successful civilization.

I doubt there are many here who truly disagree with that notion, but there may be some here who disagree with what that means, i.e. what the social compact truly empowers the government to do on our behalf.

Some socialism is necessary. We need a national defense in this modern age where it doesn't take months, but days or even hours, to move an army across broad oceans. We have to have, arm, train, and support a standing army at all times to deal with the threats our civilization faces.

I think we all agree that everyone who truly needs emergency care should never die for want of medical treatment. I think we all agree that every child should have the opportunity to be educated in basic history, reading, writing, mathematics, and science. We all agree that we need roads and infrastructure in order to facilitate commerce.

The root disagreements between liberals and conservatives lie in how those services should be provided, what other services should be provided, who should provide them, and how we should pay for them.
Posted by Circus Child
Loc
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 11:13 am to
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I don't really agree with anything in the democratic platform


Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 7/20/17 at 11:16 am to
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The left's behavior on this board is a microcosm and mirror of the left's behavior throughout the country since the election.
Between 24 hours news, social media, and all of the other means of communication, the irrational behavior is able to be shown much more easily. And the irrational behavior is newsworthy, even when it's a small minority.

When you combined that with our tendencies to seek out information that favors our own views, then the already disproportionately represented behaviors of the irrational actors, gives us a disproportionate representation of the irrational behavior of the opposing side.

In other words, our belief in the pervasiveness of these things is likely distorted by a phenomenon called the Availability heuristic. It's similar to our views of crime. Specifically, crime dropped by 40% in the 90's, yet the media coverage QUADRUPLED, and as a result people actually believed crime was increasing.

My point is that while we are all irrational and hypocritical, the extreme behavior is not near as prevalent as we think, on both sides. Most people are going bout their daily lives.
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 11:17 am
Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
Member since Feb 2009
6124 posts
Posted on 7/20/17 at 11:20 am to
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What's the cause of your irrational hatred? No one seems to want to answer it.



I don't have irrational hate for Trump. That's a wrong way to characterize it. My dislike and disapproval of the job he is doing is based on the utter incompetence that has been shown by the administration from day one. It's based on the fact that every time he's asked a question in an interview he gives rambling, incoherent answers that make me question his ability to make smart decisions when he has too. The fact that he throws everyone under the bus to protect his own arse when any controversy arises. They fact that he takes 0 responsibility when things go wrong or when mistakes are made. He's the opposite of everything you want to see in a effective leader.

Posted by Circus Child
Loc
Member since Aug 2003
3684 posts
Posted on 7/20/17 at 11:36 am to
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My point is that while we are all irrational and hypocritical, the extreme behavior is not near as prevalent as we think, on both sides. Most people are going bout their daily lives.


Sorry, this board is not some unique place. Have people tuned out cnn, msnbc, fox, nyt, wapo, politico, huff post, the late shows, etc.... tons of irrational behavior is driven by those outlets. If we moved on like you said, then we would be talking about other things.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 7/20/17 at 12:05 pm to
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Sorry, this board is not some unique place. Have people tuned out cnn, msnbc, fox, nyt, wapo, politico, huff post, the late shows, etc.... tons of irrational behavior is driven by those outlets.
That is literally what I was arguing. Normal people going about their lives, many of whom don't follow politics closely, is not very newsworthy. Just like people who aren't committing crimes aren't very newsworthy. So we don't see those stories.
Posted by Circus Child
Loc
Member since Aug 2003
3684 posts
Posted on 7/20/17 at 12:27 pm to
People who don't follow politics that closely couldn't name anyone in trump's cabinet but could tell you something about trump/russia.

There is a large segment that has not moved on. They will tell you that they don't think anything will come from the russian investigation but then turn around and hang on every story that gets printed likes its the one that brings down trump.

Funny how some "newsworthy" items the previous 8 years were not as closely reported or talked about in the media. crazy that we had other things to discuss back then.
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 12:30 pm
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