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re: When did Republicans stop caring about bodily autonomy?

Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:19 pm to
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
23044 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:19 pm to
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The party of small government now wants the government to interfere in an individual's medical decisions. What changed, guys? When will you go back to what you claim are your values?


It isn't an individuals medical decision.

It is one persons decision that ends the life of another unique person.

If the woman wanted to have a tubal ligation, I wouldn't care.
If she wanted to have a hysterectomy, I wouldn't care.

I do care when she has another human being killed.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5334 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:19 pm to
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Viability. Obviously. Were birth to be induced, the baby would have a reasonable chance of surviving, so the mother doesn't have to be forced to continue the pregnancy (though obviously better for the future baby if she does).


So according to this once the baby reaches viability the mother should be able to make the decision to deliver that baby right then and there.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14996 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:19 pm to
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She used to try and leave the impression she was a doctor........but then, stepped on her proverbial dick


damn I'm sorry I missed this thread.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:19 pm to
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In a sense it did, by not properly equipping her with the knowledge and tools to prevent pregnancy and not properly allowing for a situation in which raising a child would be beneficial.


You proved me right beyond all doubt.

You are an enabler...

You advocate policies that will ensure that lazy, poor, uneducated people who can't afford kids continue to breed when they should not .....

Those breeders will further ensure that millions of children will suffer and starve because of the lazy, irresponsible (in)action of their "parents" and the Democrats who enable them...

YOU and Democrats like you are the reason so many BORN children suffer, NOT Republicans who seek to end welfare fraud or care about the unborn....

The answer isn't more abortions, the answer is hurting peoples feelings and telling them that the checks are gonna stop if they can't use their brains instead of their genitals.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
21095 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:19 pm to
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Viability. Obviously. Were birth to be induced, the baby would have a reasonable chance of surviving, so the mother doesn't have to be forced to continue the pregnancy (though obviously better for the future baby if she does).
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:19 pm to
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And a child cannot survive without a guardian.


Fundamentally different - anyone can be the child's guardian. Only one person can carry the pregnancy.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
83551 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:19 pm to
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She used to try and leave the impression she was a doctor........but then, stepped on her proverbial dick


damn I'm sorry I missed this thread.
It was an epic beatdown.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:20 pm to
Why are we even arguing anymore in this thread?

Bama's entire premise was that "bodily autonomy" was paramount and then.........she fricking drops this after like 30 pages.


quote:

Provided we make exceptions for rape/incest/mother's health/incompatibility with life I have no problem with third-trimester bans.



Well shite

That pretty much guts your whole thread.

Why does the woman suddenly lose "bodily autonomy" in the last 3 months?
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14996 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:20 pm to
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So are you actually a doctor?
quote:

Yep!




Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
41357 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:20 pm to
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Sweet, found someone on board with forced transplant donations!


To take an absolutist position on abortion as the recent Alabama bill does is wrong. I don't agree with it and I think women have a say in their health and reproductive choices.

If that triggers some posters here, sorry but I think that is a pretty mainstream view.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

In this scenario, someone's rights are being violated


Yeah. A baby is being murdered because it's inconvenient.

quote:

As a society, we've chosen for 40 years to acknowledge that the pregnant woman's rights supersede those of the fetus. 

Suddenly, Republicans want to do a 180 on this.


Democrats in 1845:
As a human race we decided slavery was fine for thousands of years and suddenly Americans want to do a 180 on this.

Democrats in 1945:

For 100 years we chosen to acknowledge that the rights of whites supercede the rights of blacks and now people want to do a 180 on this.


This complete and total reliance and unquestioning loyalty to government action is terrifying. Wake up.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 1:24 pm
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:21 pm to
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Which is ever changing.


Oh no, better science might make us have to update some laws.

The horror!
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5334 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:21 pm to
I'd bet a PHD that ask people to call them Doctor instead of an actual MD.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5334 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:22 pm to
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Oh no, better science might make us have to update some laws.


Why ignore the second part of that post? I mean I know why but I'd like to see you say it yourself.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:22 pm to
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Why does the woman suddenly lose "bodily autonomy" in the last 3 months?


Viability. Obviously. Were birth to be induced, the baby would have a reasonable chance of surviving, so the mother doesn't have to be forced to continue the pregnancy (though obviously better for the future baby if she does).

Have you not been paying attention?
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:23 pm to
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She used to try and leave the impression she was a doctor........but then, stepped on her proverbial dick


Wait...fake charity work AND fake credentials?!?

PLEASE fill us in!
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:23 pm to
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When conception first occurs, that cluster of cells is more an extension of the mother than it is a separate being. Over the 9 months, it slowly moves from being part of the mother to being separate. There isn't really a magical place to draw a line in the sand. So, we are left to choose somewhat arbitrary points in time like heartbeats or trimesters.


Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
83551 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:24 pm to
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Wait...fake charity work AND fake credentials?!?
She must have the day off from pulling urinalysis cups all day.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45525 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:24 pm to
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To take an absolutist position on abortion as the recent Alabama bill does is wrong.
Why, and by what standard are you judging it as wrong?

quote:

I don't agree with it and I think women have a say in their health and reproductive choices.
Even if it means killing another person?

quote:

If that triggers some posters here, sorry but I think that is a pretty mainstream view.
Why does it being mainstream matter? Is morality or truth determined by consensus?
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5334 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 1:24 pm to
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Viability. Obviously. Were birth to be induced, the baby would have a reasonable chance of surviving, so the mother doesn't have to be forced to continue the pregnancy


So the mother should have the right to induce labor when a Dr. says the fetus is viable. That's the logic you are using.
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