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re: When did Republicans stop caring about bodily autonomy?

Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:51 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:51 am to
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Why can't the state force you to give up a kidney to save a life any time it wants?

they can't, but this is a bad analogy

what body part is being taken from the mother by the state? doesn't happen b/c of how gestation works (the thing you claimed to rely on earlier)
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:52 am to
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Found another one who doesn't know what 'bodily autonomy' means!


please define it for us
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:52 am to
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That's not my analogy at all - rather,
Yeah. Your analogy tried to flip the actors.

The state can't force you to kill someone for their kidney. AND, the state can't force you to abort the person inside.

Alas, the state CAN prevent YOU from killing me for my kidneys.........and.......state state should be able to prevent you from convenience killing.

That you were too stupid to construct a comparable analogy isn't my problem.

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Why are you in favor of the first scenario, and not the second?

In your analogy as compared to abortion, the person being forced to give up their kidney isn't being forced by the state dumb arse, she's being forced by the person who wants the kidney.

In YOUR analogy, the person being killed is the baby......the person doing the killing for the kidney is the mom.

Damn you're stupid
Posted by BamaAtl
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:52 am to
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Does the Social Contract allow for killing inconvenient people?


We're talking about taxes in this particular sub-thread you started on a failed premise, champ.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:52 am to
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Sure she is - she's being told to continue the pregnancy regardless of the risk to herself.
That's not "doing" anything. Killing a child is doing something. Simply caring for yourself as you would whether you're pregnant or not is not being told to do anything. A mother is being told not to do something (abortion) if it results in the death of the child.

Telling someone to actively do something is different from telling someone not to actively do something.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:53 am to
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Do you not know the term social contract? Huh

sure

and when those terms were crafted, the "social contract" would have allowed punishment of women who aborted babies

that ain't the argument you want to make

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I would have thought you'd know it at least minimally.

have you read it?
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:53 am to
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Found another one who doesn't know how to answer questions and continues to move the goalposts - BamaAtl


FIFY
Posted by BamaAtl
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:53 am to
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Answered


You didn't answer, you switched the scenario from the state forcing you to violate your bodily autonomy to you voluntarily choosing to commit a crime.


Now, are you ready to answer? Yes/no, then we can dive into why your views are different in my scenario than abortion.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:54 am to
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Not allowing one person to kill another is respecting bodily autonomy.

No matter how desperately you try to contort

a summary of Bama's current argument:

Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:54 am to
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please define it for us
The coward will do nothing of the sort. She's scared, bottom line.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:54 am to
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Can the state violate your bodily autonomy, even though it's in the interest of another's life for you to do so?

The state can prevent you from violating another person's bodily autonomy. In this case, prevent someone from violating the baby's bodily autonomy.

Thank's for playing
Posted by BamaAtl
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:54 am to
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*except for pregnant women


Proof?


You can google tons of stories on the law Alabama passed yesterday any time you want, little guy.
Posted by BamaAtl
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:54 am to
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Not allowing one person to kill another is respecting bodily autonomy.


Not when the one being kept alive is being done so at the expense of bodily autonomy for the other.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:55 am to
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Does the Social Contract allow for killing inconvenient people?


We're talking about taxes in this particular sub-thread you started on a failed premise, champ.
Thread is 22 pages.

Question still stands
Posted by BamaAtl
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:55 am to
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Yeah, because that's a thing in 21st century America


You're the one who thought you'd be smart and throw some weird scenario out there that was easily refuted. Maybe think harder next time?
Posted by DemonKA3268
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21093 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:56 am to
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You can google tons of stories on the law Alabama passed yesterday any time you want, little guy.
As expected, you can't provide it. You are just a little coward.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41189 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:56 am to
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Why have the Dems not put forth a law allowing abortions ONLY under the exceptions you list and outlaw it for convenience?
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:56 am to
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Bamaatl is now saying that Christ should've been aborted


Would probably be a better world, but that's not what I was saying at all!
Posted by BamaAtl
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Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:56 am to
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She can do whatever the frick she likes with her body except for killing another individual.........who also.........interestingly enough......has a body!


So she can't do whatever the frick she likes with her body - the rights of the fetus supersede her rights.

Why?
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
44677 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:56 am to
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What about in cases where the rape may not be reported for days/weeks/months because of the circumstances surrounding the abuse?

Tough shite, huh?


OR they can walk into Walmart and buy it over the counter for $12. So, no excuse
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