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re: What’s your solution to fix the corruption and rot in DC?
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:27 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:27 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
quote:I tihnk they do, I think Trump (who I voted for twice) didnt do a good job of earning the trust of the majority of the American people. I think his constant bullshite was stupid.
I voted in Trump
People got offended and he was mean.
Americans lied about wanting to clean up Washington. They don’t want to see the ugliness of rooting out corruption and deceit.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:33 am to Bass Tiger
A lot of people don’t think their congressman is part of the problem and continue to vote for the same people over and over.
Example
It’s not my kids fault. The kid’s he hangs out with are a bad influences.
Quit voting for the same person for Congress and Senate over and over.
“Bill Cassidy is terrible, but he is better than the other candidates”
“But I don’t have any other choices”
“But my guy is on this committee”
Bla Bla Bla
DC is not just the problem. We are part of the problem for voting for the same people over and over
Example
It’s not my kids fault. The kid’s he hangs out with are a bad influences.
Quit voting for the same person for Congress and Senate over and over.
“Bill Cassidy is terrible, but he is better than the other candidates”
“But I don’t have any other choices”
“But my guy is on this committee”
Bla Bla Bla
DC is not just the problem. We are part of the problem for voting for the same people over and over
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:39 am to Bass Tiger
Move all lawmakers out of DC, make them work from their home state, votes can be done remotely.
All the Shitty people who populate the beltway would lose their gravy train.
All the Shitty people who populate the beltway would lose their gravy train.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:50 am to Bass Tiger
I don't understand why a Convention of States doesn't get more play on the Right. If we could wave a magic wand and make one change right now, wouldn't it be to reclaim power/control from the federal government and bring it back to the states? A COS is the most direct, quickest and most effective way to do this. There are more Red states than Blue states, and wouldn't a few blue states be at least warm to the idea of more local control?
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:52 am to David_DJS
quote:
I don't understand why a Convention of States doesn't get more play on the Right.
Honestly, I do not trust it if it is opened up and I believe we would lose more rights, quicker if we did this...
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:54 am to MizzouBS
quote:
DC is not just the problem
It's a place infested with sharks out to protect their own interest. The wealthiest counties in America surround DC
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:55 am to Bass Tiger
Term limits are obviously the first choice. Having an independent media would be a close second.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:58 am to nwacajun
quote:
Having an independent media would be a close second.
what is that?
you know murdoch owns wsj, new york post and fox and some australian media quoted on td as if news.
is Murdoch empire independent?
how about newsmax?
one owned by arabs?
RT?
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:01 pm to Bass Tiger
Term limits, and make them live by the laws they pass. Social Security, Health Care..
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:06 pm to SquatchDawg
"Need to install an honest to God badass..."
That's a yes for me dawg
That's a yes for me dawg
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:14 pm to The Maj
quote:
Honestly, I do not trust it if it is opened up and I believe we would lose more rights, quicker if we did this...
Aren't the states in complete control of it? I may not be understanding your concern.
So, what are examples of rights you'd worry about losing?
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:24 pm to David_DJS
quote:
Aren't the states in complete control of it? I may not be understanding your concern.
The States should be in complete control of things right now but they are not...
I have seen arguments both ways that once a convention is called it can become the wild, wild west on amendments or it can be limited and specific in scope... The chance that is could become the wild, wild west is my biggest concern...
Also, our current problem is not that we need new amendments, we need to be following the Constitution as it is written - if you add an amendment to a document that has already been shredded, what good does it do?
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:24 pm to The Maj
quote:
The States should be in complete control of things right now but they are not..
This is the purpose of a COS, right? It seems like an odd argument against one.
quote:
I have seen arguments both ways that once a convention is called it can become the wild, wild west on amendments or it can be limited and specific in scope... The chance that is could become the wild, wild west is my biggest concern...
You mean as opposed to our current congress, white house, legal system, healthcare system, media, etc., etc? I'm not flipping you shite. I understand your concern, but IMO your concern is rooted in what you've been instructed to believe by the same assholes we're trying to wrest control from.
Which rights are you worried will be rescinded by 38 or more state legislatures?
quote:
Also, our current problem is not that we need new amendments, we need to be following the Constitution as it is written - if you add an amendment to a document that has already been shredded, what good does it do?
Understand that I'm not suggesting any of the following applies to you (we're just having a discussion here), my comments are broad-based: it sure seems like the Right is becoming expert at never finding the line/backing up the line not to be crossed. It's almost like conservative men would rather sit around and bitch about their country going down the shitter than standing up and doing something about it. We apparently have decided voting doesn't work, so we don't have to make those efforts anymore. Our jobs/businesses keep us from confronting the Left in the streets, on the air waves and social media. We refuse to even organize/fund groups to carry the fight politically (think of all the Lefty organizations that control the narrative, now do the Right). We refuse to consider how best to respond to the big money (individuals and big biz) preferring instead to just whine about everything. And in the case of a COS, we're worried South Dakota and Wyoming are going to team up with California and take our 2A rights, so let's not use the constitutional device given the states to beat back a greedy/power hungry federal government.
So what's the plan? - and anybody that says something about guns and ammo should be laughed off the board. If the Right is unwilling to object to some a-hole governor locking them out of their churches and schools, frick any of us that pretends we're going to conduct some guerilla war against our own law enforcement, National Guard, etc.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:25 pm to David_DJS
If
quote:What block of soy have you been hiding under for a year?
the Right is unwilling to object to some a-hole governor locking them out of their churches and schools,
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
What block of soy have you been hiding under for a year?
Are you suggesting churches and schools weren't shut down?
What are you trying to say?
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:27 pm to David_DJS
quote:
So what's the plan?
Honestly, I hope the pain gets bad enough that the people will take their government back... until then, there really is not a damn thing, including a convention of States that can change it...
The government no longer fears the people... that doesn't change with a convention of States either...
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:31 pm to The Maj
quote:
Honestly, I hope the pain gets bad enough that the people will take their government back... until then, there really is not a damn thing, including a convention of States that can change it...
The government no longer fears the people... that doesn't change with a convention of States either...
Respectfully, I think that's a losing approach.
It wasn't that long ago the Left feared our guns and bibles. The way the country complied to all the COVID nonsense changed that. I don't understand why it seems so impossible to change the direction this country is headed.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:31 pm to David_DJS
quote:
This is the purpose of a COS, right? It seems like an odd argument against one.
You are making the assumption that once pandora's box is opened that the right thing will be done... What makes you so confident that the process will not be highjacked in the process and turned into your worst nightmare?
quote:
Which rights are you worried will be rescinded by 38 or more state legislatures?
It isn't really so much what would be rescinded but what might or would more than likely be added...
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:33 pm to Bass Tiger
Everything you vote on must apply to you and every household in your district.
Every tax raise
Every rights restriction
Every government contract stipulation
Every government funded housing project
Every immigrant relocation program
Every public school mandate
Etc
Every tax raise
Every rights restriction
Every government contract stipulation
Every government funded housing project
Every immigrant relocation program
Every public school mandate
Etc
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:36 pm to David_DJS
quote:
Respectfully, I think that's a losing approach.
You are entitled to your opinion but when the government is running rough shod over the people and ignoring the document that provides the foundation for this country, I really do not understand how you expect to enact change with a process that will still be ignored by the federal government... throw SCOTUS in there and it is really over...
True change is a painful process at this point...
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