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re: What's up with renewed interest in the BATF/FBI assault in Waco?

Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:18 am to
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64595 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:18 am to
They will send these folks after you if you get in the way.

Prove me wrong.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42520 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:20 am to
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Same goes for Ruby Ridge.

When Waco happened I was working 12-16 hours a day for the past several years and hardly knew what was going on anywhere else.

Ruby Ridge kept coming up, but I only knew the headline

It wasn't until a few years ago that I went back and actually researched that sad episode.

I am still infuriated that something like this could have happened - and that nobody was ever held accountable - there should have been lifetime prison sentences handed down for that disgrace - and whole departments of the FBI should have been totally disbanded and restaffed, if not eliminated forever.

Knowing something like that happened made me understand that my proir trust in 'American justice' had been sadly misplaced. It is one of the things that cemented my current hard view of anything emanating from the bowels of the once-revered FBI/DOJ.

And Waco was just another scalp they took with no consequence.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42520 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:28 am to
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Of course some people, just like during Covid, questioned what happened and were called conspiracy theorist only to prove that it wasn't a conspiracy theory. There was something a bit more to it.

I can attest to that

I consider myself to be pretty rational - not jumping to outlandish conclusions without a lot of reflection.

But - at that time - I still harbored a lifelong trust in the inherent goodness of our national leadership - I hated LBJ, but never even considered that he was plotting the downfall of the USA as we knew it - just that his vision was different than mine.

SO - I was revulsed at WACO - but thought the FBI 'did what they were supposed to do with unfortunate results - because of Koresh.

Only much later did I have the time to research it - and discovered the Ruby Ridge fiasco in the process. Changed my attitude toward the FBI - and hardened my natural hatred for the Clintons.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259940 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:32 am to
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While I think Koresh was a manipulative con man the USA f’ed this up big time.



Yep, no fondness for Koresh but I have a lot of contempt for what the government did.

Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67692 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:38 am to

Waco and Ruby Ridge.

This is where I learned that my government wasn't the good guys.
Posted by BamaFan89
T-Town
Member since Dec 2009
19297 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:41 am to
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frick the atf
Posted by Original Bayou Boy
Flat Lake, LA
Member since Sep 2003
11233 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:43 am to
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and the feds definitely come across as the bad guys.


The Feds were the bad guys. Nothing going on in that compound deserved a response of burning women and children alive.
Posted by Zarkinletch416
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Member since Jan 2020
8369 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:52 am to
What is etched in my mind about the massacre at Waco? Those babies and their caretakers hunkered down in that underground bunker—terrified babies. The fire above them sucked out all the oxygen in that bunker, then turned it into an oven. That definitely was not an easy way to die.

Burn in hell Janet Rino, and anybody who had a part in that massacre.
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 6:54 am
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56260 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:38 am to
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Feel for the one lady that still thinks David K was god

Koresh didn't think he was god. The clip of him saying 'I'm a GOD' is taken out of context. He'd been accused of impregnating a 73 year old woman and was telling his congregation about it. He said 'if I can get a 73 year old woman pregnant, I'M A GOD.' and that's where the media got that clip.

The whole fricking thing is built on lies by the government and media. The alleged pedo shite was never proven either.

They did have a doomsday prophesy, though. The guy who started the compound back in the 30's said that one day, the 'armies of Babylon' would come and destroy the compound.

Crazy, huh?
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
17319 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:53 am to
There’s a huge point being left out of this discussion. The ATF notified the media that they were doing the raid so it would become a media circus. They certainly got that, now didn’t they.

Ruby Ridge, Waco and now J6 are the worst things federal law enforcement have ever done. All three tragedies were incited by the Feds themselves and then a massive coverup has occurred courtesy of the US Atyorneys and Federal Judiciary to help hide their tracks.

Oklahoma City was done in retaliation for Ruby Ridge and Waco.
Posted by Red Stick Rambler
Member since Jun 2011
1081 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:57 am to
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and the feds definitely come across as the bad guys.

"Come across?" Those frickers could have executed the warrants AT ANY frickING TIME those 3 dudes (I think it was?) were off the compound.


I think you misunderstood my point - what I’m saying is there is no effort to sanitize what the Feds did in the current retelling of the Waco story. If you told me that Netflix was about to do a series on Waco I would have predicted that would portray as the Feds as the good guys fighting for truth and justice and have Koresh in a red baseball cap with guns strapped on him like Pancho Villa. Much to my surprise they didn’t; I’m old enough to remember Waco and the portrayal seems pretty factual... no spin, no effort to excuse or whitewash government abuses.

It a sad indictment of our times, but I was surprised that they just told the story without using it for propaganda.

Posted by texas tortilla
houston
Member since Dec 2015
1793 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 7:58 am to
LINK here is a good article on the raid. i still wonder what the feds did with that missing front door?
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
11965 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 8:46 am to
The low point, IMO it was the Oklahoma City bombing.
The Jan 6, Charade, proved the Federal Gov't can grab almost any citizen, such as McVeigh, and make it appear he was the perpetrator of a violent act.
Posted by jackamo3300
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2004
2901 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 3:22 pm to
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Instead, they intentionally triggered a confrontation, then murdered almost 100 people, mostly women and children, for no real reason.


Compounded by what seemed to be their taking advantage of a situation to test their theoretical psychological warfare methods, which had no effect other than to terrorize children who just didn't understand what their already constricted world had been reduced to.

Using "mind control" experimental techniques - blasting loud music, Tibetan chants, hard rock, and even Christmas carols - attempting to break down the will to resist in something the BATF called Operation Trojan Horse.

Their "reason" for this approach? Because somebody in the agency believed that it was what worked in coaxing Noriega out of the Catholic embassy in his country.

But after all these years, they still don't seem to be anything to write home about when it comes to "mind games" if you go by Waco, or in threatening, intimidating interrogations if you go by Dr. Corsi, or by the clumsily-contrived fake dossier.









Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
30363 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 7:13 pm to
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Ruby Ridge, Waco and now J6
The worst part of J6 is that, in their minds, it justifies federal law enforcement's 10 year old adage that 'the most significant terror-related threat facing the US today comes from violent extremists.'

Homeland security came out and said that in 2020. The FBI and DEA has said it since Oklahoma City.
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