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re: What single-payer healthcare looks like
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:52 am to CelticDog
Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:52 am to CelticDog
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Holland is better.
Holland has certain demographic advantages which the US does not that make their system of socialized healthcare work.
Also, when you have a life threatening condition, will you be traveling to Holland for treatment?
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Posted on 9/15/17 at 7:53 am to CelticDog
quote:That is as false now as it was the past 4 times I've corrected you. Either you have a pathologic memory deficit, or you are just intent to invent your own facts.
Holland is better.
Their mmds make half what ours do.
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10 HIGHEST PAID COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD FOR DOCTORS
NO. 1: NETHERLANDS
Average yearly salary (specialists): $253,000
Average yearly salary (GP’s): $117,000
NO. 3: UNITED STATES
Average yearly salary (specialists): $230,000
Average yearly salary (GP’s): $161,000
Posted on 9/15/17 at 8:00 am to NC_Tigah
I can't get anyone in real life to answer this question. What incentive does governmemt have to contain costs? If there isn't a good answer then no thank you as I don't trust government or liberals to not come back time after time for more money. At some point, the well runs dry.
They'll get it right this time though as we've been saying.
They'll get it right this time though as we've been saying.
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 9:35 am
Posted on 9/15/17 at 8:03 am to Eli Goldfinger
By this logic are you are saying Obamacare is the best healthcare in the world right now?
Is there anyone better than us?
If so who?
Posted on 9/15/17 at 8:22 am to LSUcjb318
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By this logic are you are saying Obamacare is the best healthcare in the world right now?
Our healthcare system WAS the envy of the world at one time.
Guess who got involved to quickly change that.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:03 am to roadGator
quote:I'm less concerned with incentive than I am competence.
What incentive does governmemt have to contain costs?
Medicare runs $10,600 per capita. The $10,600 does not include additional supplemental insurance costs often required to access preferred doctors/facilities.
So let's make it clear, our government cannot or will not address differential expenses in our system.
That will not change in a Medicare-for-all, more of the same, scenario.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:06 am to Eli Goldfinger
15. Canadians have a higher life expectancy than Americans
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:07 am to LSUcjb318
quote:Obamacare IS NOT HEALTHCARE !
are you are saying Obamacare is the best healthcare in the world right now?
Obamacare is insurance regulation.
To address your question, obamacare may comprise some of the poorest conceived insurance regulation in the world.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:08 am to Machine
quote:Why?
Canadians have a higher life expectancy than Americans
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:32 am to Eli Goldfinger
Hospital bureaucracy is one reason healthcare costs have skyrocketed out of control. The focus needs to be on trimming the fat then once healthcare costs are driven down, focus on insurance reform.
I like the idea of private doctors: LINK
I like the idea of private doctors: LINK
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:40 am to BulldogXero
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I like the idea of private doctors: LINK
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The two doctors who started the Surgery Center of Oklahoma, Dr. Keith Smith and Dr. Steven Lantier, are committed to charging fair prices, and they founded their hospital with the goal of price transparency. “What we’ve discovered is health care really doesn’t cost that much,” Dr. Smith told KFOR-TV. “What people are being charged for is another matter altogether.”
They have been posting all of their prices online for the past several years, and they charge significantly less than other hospitals in the area.
“When we first started we thought we were about half the price of the hospitals,” Dr. Lantier said. “Then we found out we’re less than half price. Then we find out we’re a sixth to an eighth of what their prices are. I can’t believe the average person can afford health care at these prices.”
LINK
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:40 am to roadGator
quote:$20T in debt and political inability to raise taxes on the "middle class".
What incentive does governmemt have to contain costs?
"The rich" can't pay for single-payer. Even if we took all of their income. No politician is going to survive a campaign of doubling or tripling "middle class" tax rates. And we cannot borrow it.
The only thing left will be "cost savings" by restricting care.
Anyone that wants to become fullly dependent on a dysfunctional congress, strapped to the largest debt in the history of mankind is a fool.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:55 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Our healthcare system WAS the envy of the world at one time
What year are you referring to?
Posted on 9/15/17 at 9:59 am to LSUcjb318
quote:What health"care" are you referring to?
What year are you referring to?
Posted on 9/15/17 at 10:37 am to Machine
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15. Canadians have a higher life expectancy than Americans
They owe this to demographics/socioeconomics more than socialized medicine.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 10:40 am to BulldogXero
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I like the idea of private doctors
That's all well & good.
However, where do you think the technique was perfected which was used on this knee surgery?
Also, where do you think the Uruguayan hospital got its technology?
So much of the US healthcare bill is R&D...and the rest of the world benefits from it.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 1:09 pm to CelticDog
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Holland is better. They live longer than we do.
Serious question, is that the only criteria for healthcare quality?
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