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re: What makes people more likely to be really into conspiracy theories?
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:26 am to Powerman
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:26 am to Powerman
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This is a good point
An opinion isn't necessarily "better" if it's original
I don't disagree.
But conspiracy theorists, for the most part, require this belief that their non-original, proliferated memes, are original and are better because they're original.
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:27 am to FLBooGoTigs1
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I wish there were better ways that both sides could put topics on the table and discuss rationally and not be called a Trumpin (really I am not DeSantis is my man) or a libatard.
There is and it’s not on message boards. Most people are not hard right or left it’s just what you “feel” based on mainstream media and the loudest posters on boards. Get out in the real world and have conversations with others. It’s actually quite productive.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:32 am to dsides
Most conversations I've had with people in person are surprisingly productive
I think a lot of the stuff you see online is almost role playing
God I hope it is.
I think a lot of the stuff you see online is almost role playing
God I hope it is.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:33 am to dsides
Alabama icons next to their screen name
Is a sign a conspiracy theory is being forwarded from Russia
Is a sign a conspiracy theory is being forwarded from Russia
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:36 am to Deactived
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Most of the time you will be talking with a person who has no desire to have an open mind to your thoughts.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. - Winston Churchill.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:37 am to FLBooGoTigs1
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and not be called a Trumpin
More Americans are not affiliated than are affiliated with either the D or R cults.
Most Americans also believe "conspiracy theories" but are afraid to say so in public, even anonymously.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:46 am to Powerman
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Most conversations I've had with people in person are surprisingly productive I think a lot of the stuff you see online is almost role playing
Most online posts are people lashing out behind the curtain of anonymity in direct response to the fatigue associated with the constant sensationalism pushed at them through their TVs and phones.
It’s not healthy nor sustainable to live in a world that rewards information providers to create division and anxiety. We are our own worst enemies.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
There have been some instructive comments.
I've learned that conspiracy theory enthusiasts assume that the only reason why anyone would ever think that that they are sort of loony and goofy is due to the 12 hours of MSNBC they watch everyday.
I must admit that I am guilty of this. The only reason I don't think that China and Venezuela coordinated with the Republican governor of Georgia to right the 2020 election for the Democrats is because I always do exactly as my MSNBC and New York Times programmers tell me to do.
It has nothing to do with so many of the election conspiracies and QANON conspiracies of the last 2 years have been so bat shite crazy.
I've learned that conspiracy theory enthusiasts assume that the only reason why anyone would ever think that that they are sort of loony and goofy is due to the 12 hours of MSNBC they watch everyday.
I must admit that I am guilty of this. The only reason I don't think that China and Venezuela coordinated with the Republican governor of Georgia to right the 2020 election for the Democrats is because I always do exactly as my MSNBC and New York Times programmers tell me to do.
It has nothing to do with so many of the election conspiracies and QANON conspiracies of the last 2 years have been so bat shite crazy.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 8:50 am
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
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My issue is why does anyone automatically think the information we get from bureaucrats is correct?
Politicians and government workers have incredible incentives to lie and cheat.
I think if you understood the disincentives for knowledge-workers to lie and cheat, you would have a somewhat lower threshold for alleging conspiracies.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:48 am to dsides
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There is and it’s not on message boards.
Message boards are where you get more honest answers. People tend to say what they think you want to hear in person.
People trying to "do the right thing" on message boards are dumb. No one cares.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:52 am to TigerDoc
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I think if you understood the disincentives for knowledge-workers to lie and cheat, you would have a somewhat lower threshold for alleging conspiracies.
I dont believe you have even a rudimentary knowledge of how government offices operate.
You get information on an as needed basis, and only what is expedient.
The media is rewarded for lying. The current clickbait model means extravagant headlines to attract really stupid people. They get paid when you click.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:56 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
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I've learned that conspiracy theory enthusiasts assume that the only reason why anyone would ever think that that they are sort of loony and goofy is due to the 12 hours of MSNBC they watch everyday.
Then you have terrible learning disabilities.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
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essage boards are where you get more honest answers. People tend to say what they think you want to hear in person. People trying to "do the right thing" on message boards are dumb. No one cares.
Most rational people do not have long form discussions on message boards. Qualify contribution is inversely related to number of posts/time on the board. IMO
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:56 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
I don't think they're wrong that people believe CT's based on which trusted authorities they hold. SFP's point is really important - people tend to overestimate the degree to which they can justify their beliefs by means of independent thinking and we under-estimate the degree to which we out-source our beliefs to trusted authorities.
It isn't wrong to believe trusted authorities. It is unavoidable. It is helpful and important to also be able to critique authorities, but if you do so immodestly and arrogantly, you will likely just end up out-sourcing your beliefs to some even less trustworthy authority.
It isn't wrong to believe trusted authorities. It is unavoidable. It is helpful and important to also be able to critique authorities, but if you do so immodestly and arrogantly, you will likely just end up out-sourcing your beliefs to some even less trustworthy authority.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 8:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
Yeah, that's what I mean - knowledge is created by people in labs, clinics, hospitals, doing survey-work, etc. It is generally vouchsafed by civil service people, but they have disincentives to lie. If you don't get the balance right, you end up being excessively suspicious.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 9:03 am to TigerDoc
OH shite, this was moved to the poli board.
Topical discussions on this board:
Topical discussions on this board:
Posted on 12/27/22 at 9:05 am to dsides
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Most rational people do not have long form discussions on message boards.
Most rational people understand the government lies, and many "conspiracy theories" have been proven to be true.
Is this thread irrational?
Posted on 12/27/22 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/27/22 at 9:07 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Most rational people understand the government lies, and many "conspiracy theories" have been proven to be true.
Is this thread irrational?
You can tell who supports the current administration in this thread. You have a "President" that can't complete sentences, has appointed legit mentally ill people to government roles, and if you question anything he does, well, you're a nazi.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 9:08 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
People get addicted to searching and finding things. They can’t stop.
The more they search, the more they have to stretch the facts to make it fit to satisfy the addiction.
There’s no longer any room for objectivity, which, like Occam’s razor, won’t satisfy the addiction.
The more they search, the more they have to stretch the facts to make it fit to satisfy the addiction.
There’s no longer any room for objectivity, which, like Occam’s razor, won’t satisfy the addiction.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 9:10 am
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