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re: What is the psychology behind the "white self hate" movement?

Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:50 am to
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:50 am to
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repressors deny/minimize the significance of racial inequality


This is incorrect.

"Repressor", in your world, is anybody who recognizes problems in a community but believes the root cause is something more than wypipo.

I'm fully aware of the statistics with blacks and single parents, crime, etc. I think it's a significant problem. We probably just disagree on the cause and therefore the solution.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:54 am to
I think policies related to criminal justice, housing policy, education, and healthcare systems, probably all disproportionately disadvantage marginalized racial groups. E.g. performative acts of guilt or symbolic gestures (e.g., apologies, diversity training) can sideline discussions about the real problems and solutions of mass incarceration, etc.
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:55 am to
That's fine, then you're not who I mean.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:56 am to
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That's fine, then you're not who I mean.


So who is a repressor? Who are they repressing and how are they doing it?
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:58 am to
Read Mushroom1968's response to me, reflect, and post back.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:58 am to
It’s all curtural Marxist social engineering that’s been in place for a long time and is bearing a lot of fruit.

This is why I think the Churchill/WW2 narrative discussion is important, because I think it is the source of this kind of poison. The post war consensus mindset is what set this social engineering off.

Basically right wing thought was seen as too dangerous to exist, and white European heritage people too dangerous to be allowed to form collective identities and work towards ethnic self interests. There are thousands of little things taught to us from birth that accumulates into this believe that whites looking out for whites is a terrible thing, and that is obviously unnatural if you look at any other group as an example.

I don’t think this kind of brainwashing worked as well on people in the south (obvious to everyone), but what isn’t obvious is why this is. Until recently, everywhere in the country other than the south was overwhelmingly white, and people didn’t really have race in the forefront of their identities, so it made them easy targets as blank slates to indoctrinate. In most of the south, especially where I’m from, it is apparent as soon as you’re old enough to observe the world that there are black people and there are white people, and it has an impact at a fundamental level of how you see the world, and it’s very hard to lie to a white southerner as it pertains to his race being responsible for any wider problems.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 9:59 am to
In this case, I think the parents just want their own privacy to grieve for their son without strangers and political types attempting to hijack for their own reasons. It has probably gotten out of hand in their minds.

So they should be left alone
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26812 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:00 am to
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Read Mushroom1968's response to me, reflect, and post back.



I'm not one of your nurses. You can answer or not.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:01 am to
Ok, Mushroom1968's response is a repressor response.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:02 am to
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Much of what we see white progressives express about “ being white” is rooted in misplaced sexual submission. It’s a feminized way of viewing oneself, as open to others and willing to allow them the top position . Normal testosterone levels solve this. Men who Fukc do not apologize for being white. Men who get fricked do.


Ok............ Let's go with that!
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26812 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:03 am to
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Ok, Mushroom1968's response is a repressor response.


But how is he repressing people? Not by posting on TD. He just said something you disagree with.

What are the specifics of this repression and who is responsible for it?
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:06 am to
It's a psychodrama, an internal psychological conflict that is played out socially. Repenters play their half of the drama with performative responses to internal conflict while repressors respond to internal conflict by pointing out exaggerated responses of repenters. ad infinitum. The repression here refers not to political oppression but to psychological repression, a way of dealing with internal conflict.
This post was edited on 9/12/24 at 10:13 am
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:12 am to
Some white people feel guilt for actions of those in the past so they want to try to cleanse their feelings of guilt through actions intended to enable black people as though they can’t take care of themselves.

They patronize black people as though they’re somehow handicapped.

Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26812 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:14 am to
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while repressors respond to internal conflict


But you've defined "internal conflict" as the state of anybody who disagrees with you on racial issues. Maybe he doesn't have any conflict at all and is quite comfortable with his views on the issue. You're attempting to claim that you know what he really believes and he's repressing it.

Posted by Go_Dawgs
Member since Nov 2012
1021 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:19 am to
Its weakness, plain and simple.

The current climate of DEI comes from the belief that, since meritocracy seemed to only benefit a certain majority, that it was flawed and therefore racist etc.

This leads into the other point that when certain institutions are pressured to explain why there are so many whites and asians either employed in positions of power or at prestigious universities, if they answer because they are the most qualified or they met the entrance criteria, they would sound like the racists they were pointed out to be.

But instead of sticking to the fact that a meritocracy based system benefits the overall betterment of the overall population, they chose to give in to the demands of race hustlers because they knew it could also bring in more money.

I can tell you now that a majority of corporations doing this are doing it for one thing, money and brand exposure.

TLDR Version: White guilt is promoted by wealthy elites that feel no impact from their decisions, and by weak white individuals that have been made to think their entire existence is not something to celebrate, but to loathe
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11399 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:20 am to
This is a thread about psychological theories, Flats. They're always speculative.

And I don't define internal conflict as anyone who disagrees with me. The conflict exists in both repenters and repressors, and the theory purports to explain their different behaviors as different responses to the conflict. We can get into the nature of the conflict if you want or even better I can send you to Liam Bright's work if you want.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:26 am to
Mostly fake like said before.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26812 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:33 am to
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and the theory purports to explain their different behaviors as different responses to the conflict.


Is one of those explanations "this is just what the person believes and they don't need to repress it at all"? Because it's a pretty shitty framework if that's not one of the possibilities it offers as it purports to explain different behaviors.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11399 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:35 am to
I don't think the theory claims to explain 100% of individuals. It's trying to get at the nature of the psychology underlying American discourse around race in broad generalities and to apply to many but not all individuals.
This post was edited on 9/12/24 at 10:37 am
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26812 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:38 am to
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I don't think the theory claims to explain 100% of individuals.


Then it's odd that you would attempt to apply it to someone you don't know based on a couple of sentences they wrote. Discussing in a general sense would be much more rational.
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