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re: What is the process for exiting NATO?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:21 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:21 pm to WestCoastAg
Who is our common enemy? The Cold War ended 25 years ago.
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Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Who is our common enemy?
I'd say radical islam.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:23 pm to Cosmo
Welfare has done to europe the same thing it has done to our underclass. Made them dependant and lazy
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:russia is absolutely not a friend
Who is our common enemy?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:24 pm to Cosmo
NATO is not the problem per se. The problem is the expansion of NATO in 1999. Those small countries that were former WARSAW Pact countries are the issue and give the Russians pause for concern.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:25 pm to WestCoastAg
They aren't an enemy. Yet.
We've had enough war. Archaic treaties need to be reexamined
We've had enough war. Archaic treaties need to be reexamined
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:and once again, they are far from a friend and there is a reasonably possible scenario in the future where the scales could be tipped
They aren't an enemy. Yet.
quote:and NATO is far from archaic. it has a bunch of uses in todays modern world. it does however need to be re worked to where countries like germany start putting in their far shair
Archaic treaties need to be reexamined
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:29 pm to Cosmo
2011's fruitless Operation Odyssey Dawn lost my giving a shite about NATO
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:29 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Can you give a detailed plan on how to accomplish this?
or maybe we can promote people to start defending themselves
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:30 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
as SFP stated in this thread, hard line spending requirements relative to a countries GDP would be a great start
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:31 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
quote:
Archaic treaties need to be reexamined
and NATO is far from archaic. it has a bunch of uses in todays modern world. it does however need to be re worked to where countries like germany start putting in their far shair
So, while disagreeing you agree? That's confusing
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:31 pm to WestCoastAg
That would greatly dwindle down NATO as a whole too
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:no? i agree that european member countries need to start putting in their fair share. i disagree that we need to completely disregard the treaty altogether
So, while disagreeing you agree?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We've had enough war. Archaic treaties need to be reexamined
So the suggestion is to dismantle one of the main reasons for the relatively peaceful post-war era will somehow prevent further war? The weakening of the EU (the formation of which was driven by the desire to not ever see war on European soil again) and NATO (which worked as a check on Soviet aggression, and still works as a check on Russian desires for regional influence) aren't good things for peace. In fact their weakening points towards more war, not less.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:33 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:And if they don't meet those requirements?
as SFP stated in this thread, hard line spending requirements relative to a countries GDP would be a great start
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:33 pm to Jrv2damac
i really do not expect the large members of NATO to exit after that because its not in their best interests to do so. however
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:34 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
then they get kicked out?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:34 pm to crazy4lsu
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So the suggestion is to dismantle one of the main reasons for the relatively peaceful post-war era will somehow prevent further war?
I swear some of you don't even read what is typed
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:38 pm to WestCoastAg
I agree that NATO is still valid and important and other countries need to actually contribute. I think the threat of the US leaving would be enough to have them actually participate. The recent Russia worship is naive and they are certainly not a friend. The Cold War may have ended but it could start back up at any moment.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:41 pm to Cosmo
France left NATO for 43 years and it was a founding member. But NATO is an American led organization, we derive military power by having the alliance, ensuring foreign forces are trained to US standards, having access to bases, maintaining leverage over alliance member political activity.
Just because it has been abused in the past eight years by bad US policy does not mean it can not be useful or relevant for today.
Just because it has been abused in the past eight years by bad US policy does not mean it can not be useful or relevant for today.
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