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re: What is the evidence that Vladimir Putin is a murderer?
Posted on 12/21/16 at 1:46 pm to Wildo Baggins
Posted on 12/21/16 at 1:46 pm to Wildo Baggins
I don't understand the Putin apologists on this forum. They make no sense.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 1:47 pm to Hog on the Hill
It's a function of this new phenomenon on the right to question the truth and veracity of literally anything and everything.
Except for Trump, of course
Except for Trump, of course
Posted on 12/21/16 at 1:51 pm to Geauxst Writer
I never said putin was our friend, just that Hillary has a list of dead bodies following her similar to putins
Posted on 12/21/16 at 1:51 pm to Hog on the Hill
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I don't understand the Putin apologists on this forum. They make no sense.
If makes perfect sense if you see the contrast with Obama. The apologists are there because Putin is good at what he does, even if what he does isn't good.
This post was edited on 12/21/16 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 12/21/16 at 1:54 pm to Geauxst Writer
Conflating modern russian policy with USSR policies of past generations is very disingenuous.
#1? is there an official ranking? where are the US and Israel on that list?
#1? is there an official ranking? where are the US and Israel on that list?
This post was edited on 12/21/16 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 12/21/16 at 2:04 pm to boosiebadazz
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Read up about the polonium poisoning of the journalist in London.
Litvinenko was blatant, Anna Politkovskaya was probably more blatant. And we're really just getting started.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 2:05 pm to LSU316
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The KGB only did what they thought was right for the good of their country.
You could basically say the same thing about the CIA without a doubt.
absolutely. And that involved killing people.
And you would hope that the cia would be furthering our own interests, and that people on this board want what is best for america.
I do think both of those are as stretch, especially the latter.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 2:06 pm to Lsuchs
Grow up, dude. I am not sure that Hillary has any dead bodies as much as you hate her and the conspiracy theorists have proclaimed. However, as a KGB assassin, Putin has a super tanker full of them.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 2:07 pm to Hawkeye95
Compare the known practices of the CIA vs KGB during the Cold War.
There is a massive gulf between how our security apparatuses operated. Still exists.
There is a massive gulf between how our security apparatuses operated. Still exists.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 2:10 pm to Geauxst Writer
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Reagan and a very brave Michel Gorbechev, Russia's PM, were the archtitects of ending the cold war and allowing the countries of the Soviet Union to become independent countries -- Ukraine, Latvia, Kasitstan, and Eastern Europe (East Germany (unification of Germany), Romania, Bulgaria, etc.) which were all under the Soviet orbit. Hence, this is labeled that end of the cold war. Putin has stated this to be the greatest geo-political mistake of the 20th Century. It was. Hence, the Ukraine and the invasion of Crimea and succession of Crimea back to Russia is part of Putin's goal for Russia to re-eatablish dominance over the fomer Soviet countries. If not annex the countries like in Crimea, certainly to build a Russia type of European Union in trade and security. He wants to weaken the EU, and this is something that Trump needs to really be careful of. This is a cliff note verison.
None of this supports the statement that Putin "wants to recreate the Soviet Union."
Posted on 12/21/16 at 2:16 pm to Geauxst Writer
KGB assassin? Did I miss something or was he more than a KGB agent
And wtf do you mean grow up? Like grow up and not be a child in assuming US political figures are above ordering assasinations?
Everything is a "conspiracy" until proven true. all conspiracies are not created equal, pizza-gate and aliens at Area 51 are much different than assuming some of the 40+ dead bodies involved with the clintons weren't accidents
And wtf do you mean grow up? Like grow up and not be a child in assuming US political figures are above ordering assasinations?
Everything is a "conspiracy" until proven true. all conspiracies are not created equal, pizza-gate and aliens at Area 51 are much different than assuming some of the 40+ dead bodies involved with the clintons weren't accidents
This post was edited on 12/21/16 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 12/21/16 at 2:23 pm to ChewyDante
Putin's strategy is to weaken the West - especially NATO, and create a Soviet equivalent to the EU with a RU - economically and militarily aligned. This is well known and a public position. Hence, the moves politically with his puppet (supported by Manafort) in the Ukraine with the annexation of Crimea, the invasion of Georgia some time back and putting in an ally, and the tension that they are putting on the Baltic states that are now part of NATO. Their moves are clear and not so secretive. Read up. Secondly, Russia's support of N. Korea, Iran, Syria, and other rogue terror states also tip the hand of the friends that he keeps. The Russian economy is a disaster and he NEEDS a better relationship with the US, much more than we need a better relationship with Russia. The trade off could be Russia backing off in the Ukraine, backing us to re-negotiate the Iranian nuke deal, ousting Assad, re-patriating Syrian and Iraqi refugees back home, calling off Hezbollah / Iran against the Israelis, and for the US and Russia to work together in bulldozing radical Islamic terrorisim in trade for lifting the brutal economic sanctions that the US and Europe has on them. There you go --- our Trump / Russia foreign policy plan.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 2:26 pm to Lsuchs
No personal offense about the "grow up." Sorry. Was meant more to highlight the past and present ruthlessness of Putin, and for all of us to not be naieve. He was the head of the KGB, and has swung Russia back to a dictatorship and there is a long list of political opponents that are dead.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 2:31 pm to Geauxst Writer
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Putin's strategy is to weaken the West - especially NATO, and create a Soviet equivalent to the EU with a RU - economically and militarily aligned. This is well known and a public position. Hence, the moves politically with his puppet (supported by Manafort) in the Ukraine with the annexation of Crimea, the invasion of Georgia some time back and putting in an ally, and the tension that they are putting on the Baltic states that are now part of NATO. Their moves are clear and not so secretive. Read up. Secondly, Russia's support of N. Korea, Iran, Syria, and other rogue terror states also tip the hand of the friends that he keeps. The Russian economy is a disaster and he NEEDS a better relationship with the US, much more than we need a better relationship with Russia. The trade off could be Russia backing off in the Ukraine, backing us to re-negotiate the Iranian nuke deal, ousting Assad, re-patriating Syrian and Iraqi refugees back home, calling off Hezbollah / Iran against the Israelis, and for the US and Russia to work together in bulldozing radical Islamic terrorisim in trade for lifting the brutal economic sanctions that the US and Europe has on them. There you go --- our Trump / Russia foreign policy plan.
Once again, none of this indicates that Putin seeks to recreate the Soviet Union. No matter how much you continue to add.
If you'd like to have a discussion regarding Russia's interests and ambitions, that's another discussion altogether. But once again, relating Putin and current Russian policy to the Soviet Union is hollow political rhetoric with no fundamental basis in truth. But yeah, I'll "read up."
Posted on 12/21/16 at 4:24 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:Today's Russia has more gulag fingerprints on it than today's Germany has holocaust fingerprints. Insane.
I don't understand the Putin apologists on this forum. They make no sense.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 4:26 pm to Wildo Baggins
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What crimes did Putin commit and where is the evidence for it? Or is this just classic leftist hyperbole?
Probably less than half as many as the Ckintons
Posted on 12/21/16 at 4:31 pm to Wildo Baggins
Dude. You want to believe Putin is awesome go ahead. He is KGB. He is a dictator. He invaded the Crimea(people died) He is backing the incursion into Ukraine(people died). Figure it out 
Posted on 12/21/16 at 4:42 pm to goatmilker
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Dude. You want to believe Putin is awesome go ahead. He is KGB. He is a dictator. He invaded the Crimea(people died) He is backing the incursion into Ukraine(people died).
I just wanted to know who Putin murdered or who he ordered to be murdered.
I'm glad people were helpful and gave a little more information than your sweeping generalities. That's the reason I started the thread - to get specifics.
Posted on 12/21/16 at 4:48 pm to Wildo Baggins
Well it looks like you aren't any closer to having evidence of Putin being a murderer. Seems like you got 50/50 in opinions.
You'll have to do your own research and come up with your own opinion. Seems like Putin is still a mystery to us all ;)
You'll have to do your own research and come up with your own opinion. Seems like Putin is still a mystery to us all ;)
Posted on 12/21/16 at 4:49 pm to ChewyDante
OK Chewey, enjoy biting on Putin's balls because Trump wants to be BFF. He wants to re-build eco and defense alliances with the FSU, and if you chose to not believe this, that's up to you. Perhaps you can vacation on the Russian Riviera -- Crimea, which used to be part of the Ukraine.
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