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re: What is Jeff Sessions stance on marijuana?

Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:00 pm to
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:00 pm to
You are right it isn't a GOP issue, but the public is rapidly supporting marijuana legalization. Nevertheless it may take years to get it changed at the federal level because it is easier to preserve the status quo and not rock the boat regardless of which side of the aisle you sit on.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20619 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:06 pm to
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Civics 101:

Congress makes laws, not the DOJ.

Civics 401, dea is still behind federal scheduling.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62065 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:06 pm to
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Are familiar with the term, prosecutorial discretion?



Yes. And, it has been bastardized to justify policy opinion decisions vs. practical limits on resources.

The truth is that SFP and Caterpillar are falling down the same slippery slope of wanting quick fixes to issues that they believe need to be fixed. Yet, they aren't willing to spend whatever political capital it would take to actually solve the problem...or worse, they can't convince enough people that their view is right.

No AG should be criticized for prosecuting based on the law.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:08 pm to
Prosecutorial discretion is and always has been much more than "practical limits on resources."
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
55987 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

The truth is that SFP and Caterpillar are falling down the same slippery slope of wanting quick fixes to issues that they believe need to be fixed. Yet, they aren't willing to spend whatever political capital it would take to actually solve the problem...or worse, they can't convince enough people that their view is right.


lol what?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62065 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:09 pm to
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You are right it isn't a GOP issue, but the public is rapidly supporting marijuana legalization. Nevertheless it may take years to get it changed at the federal level because it is easier to preserve the status quo and not rock the boat regardless of which side of the aisle you sit on.



If the government is so broken that it can't solve an issue that is "obviously a huge drain on the country", then what's the point of arguing about the AG anyway?

This argument that the government can't function, therefore we need to bend and break the rules of government to get "important" things done is flawed and I reject it. It's exactly what has led us to this point.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:13 pm to
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Literally one of the furthest things from my mind when I think of qualifications for attorney general.



Shouldn't be.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62065 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:13 pm to
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Prosecutorial discretion is and always has been much more than "practical limits on resources."



Let me rephrase. Prosecutorial discretion was not meant to be a loophole for bypassing congress nor should it be used in that way. It was not meant to implement broad policy decisions nor should it be used in that way.

And, even if you disagree and think the AG should have that power, it's absolutely stupid to expect specific discretion...and thus criticize for following the actual law.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:14 pm to
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If the government is so broken that it can't solve an issue that is "obviously a huge drain on the country", then what's the point of arguing about the AG anyway?


I don't think I have ever described marijuana as "a huge drain on the country." This is a situation where we could reduce public spending by taking a relatively simple decision, but it isn't anything that is a critical item for our country.

quote:

This argument that the government can't function, therefore we need to bend and break the rules of government to get "important" things done is flawed and I reject it. It's exactly what has led us to this point.


There is no bending or breaking rules involved here. Further, I don't believe the government is broken or can't function. I just think that Washington is slow to respond to changes in public opinion. Acting like we should keep wasting funds on mj until congress gets off their arse to fix it (or until the dea fixes it), is ridiculous.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466557 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:16 pm to
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You are right it isn't a GOP issue, but the public is rapidly supporting marijuana legalization.

it's not a GOP issue

BUT IT COULD BE

this is a great opportunity for the party and they're squandering it

same ole GOP
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:17 pm to
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It was not meant to implement broad policy decisions nor should it be used in that way.


It was meant to give prosecutors, whether the individual attorney in the courtroom or the office as a whole, a chance to ensure that the law(s) being passed by Congress are just and being applied in an appropriate manner.

Is there any realistic argument that simple possession of marijuana actually matters?
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:17 pm to
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Get the law changed. If you can't, then you don't have public opinion on your side.


Public opinion of the war on drugs is very fricking clear.

There isn't 1 War on Drugs law that everyone can rally behind and vote for. Its far more complicated than that. Its systemic.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466557 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:17 pm to
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The truth is that SFP and Caterpillar are falling down the same slippery slope of wanting quick fixes to issues that they believe need to be fixed.

whoa, it's been a long, long road (and the tide is turning, esp at the state level)

i'm also offering legit policy advice for the GOP
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:18 pm to
Sorry, to be clear on what I meant. The failure to legalize marijuana is not particular failure of the GOP (instead of Dems). Both parties should have gotten this done a while ago.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

The truth is that SFP and Caterpillar are falling down the same slippery slope of wanting quick fixes to issues that they believe need to be fixed. Yet, they aren't willing to spend whatever political capital it would take to actually solve the problem...or worse, they can't convince enough people that their view is right.


this is a drain the swamp issue IMHO. The current status quo on marijuana is kept in place to enrich entrenched powers. Big pharma, alcohol and police will suffer if the marijuana laws were to be adjusted.

And actually the president doesn't require congress to change the scheduling of marijuana.

Marijuana is illegal only due to rank corruption.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466557 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:20 pm to
it's historically a failure of both, which means that it's a great opportunity for the GOP

there is NO better way to appeal to millenials (who largely oppose the WOD) and the poor/black underclass (who face disproportionate prosecution of these laws). you wanna make the head of the DEM plantation spin? be the party who finally makes inroads in this arena

the GOP could literally play that car for DECADES
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:21 pm to
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The truth is that SFP and Caterpillar are falling down the same slippery slope of wanting quick fixes to issues that they believe need to be fixed.


These assumptions are hilarious.

I think its a terrible political move for Trump to name this archaic right winger, career politician to AG.

I also think I hate some of the main political stances this guy has.

It is clear that the AG has discretion, and frankly has no choice but to put more effort into enforcing some laws than others. I think he's going to choose to focus on the wrong ones.

For example, cops could focus all their time and money on enforcing J-Walking. That is illegal.

But they don't have the time or resources to do that when there are actually serious things they need to be focused on.



And yes, in the meantime, the laws need to be changed. This is slowly happening.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:23 pm to
Four simple moves to make the Republican Party attractive millennials.

1) Support gay marriage.

2) Stop talking abortion.

3) Oppose the Patriot Act.

4) Legalize weed.

Done. Demographic shift in favor of the right.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466557 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:23 pm to
can't wait for AG Sessions to "not ignore the law" and crack down on voter ID laws that may violate the VRA
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466557 posts
Posted on 11/18/16 at 1:24 pm to
just do 1 and 4 and that's enough

leave abortion talk to more locally-based politicians and remove it as a national plank (which is maybe what you said). the PATRIOT Act is a toughie b/c all it will take is one attack and then shite will hit the fan
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