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re: What is Gender?
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:42 pm to rbWarEagle
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:42 pm to rbWarEagle
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Maybe you're just oversimplifying a complex issue because you haven't taken the time to understand it.
Complexity is a factor, I'll admit.
It takes greater aptitude for abstract thought and imagination to go down the road of transgenderism.
And coincidentally the majority of those who identify as transgender are white.
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
My bias? I don't have a firm stance on this topic. That's really the point.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:44 pm to Ebbandflow
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But being transgender or being a different gender it's just the association tied with male or female not the actual biological implication.
why do transgenders manipulate their natural biology in order to appear like the opposite sex then??
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:45 pm to rbWarEagle
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My bias? I don't have a firm stance on this topic. That's really the point.
Correct, your bias. If people don't believe a certain way you simply believe they just haven't been exposed to alternate theories. Classic bias.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:46 pm to rbWarEagle
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I don't have a firm stance on this topic. That's really the point.
Yeah. Right.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If people don't believe a certain way you simply believe they just haven't been exposed to alternate theories.
If people don't believe that the Earth revolves around the sun, they are either ignorant to the facts or incapable of understanding them. Like I said, maybe I'm giving some people too much credit.
Also, I've really yet to disclose what I think on any point in this thread. And that's really because no one is talking about any specific point, but rather slinging shite at one another. Myself included.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:50 pm to rbWarEagle
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Where exactly in the OP did you extract this special little nugget?
OP was basically saying that gender is nothing more than descriptive grammar and to lesser extent oppression by pronoun.....I figured naturally, that some f'd up college English professor came up with this. Because it is a a fricked up premise
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You think people who identify as transgender are just out to normalize cross dressing and make every day Halloween? Maybe you're just oversimplifying a complex issue because you haven't taken the time to understand it.
Yes. I suppose you will come back that there is something called a "female" brain as opposed to a "male" brain and you will cite some study in either Spain, England or the Netherlands that "supports" this view....until you actually read the study, which the authors will grudgingly admit that the findings are inconclusive at this time.
So yes, this is about making every day Halloween or Mardi Gras for people. If you were born with an XX chromosome, embrace that reality and live that reality. Same thing with the XY.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:52 pm to rbWarEagle
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people don't believe that the Earth revolves around the sun, they are either ignorant to the facts or incapable of understanding them. Like I said, maybe I'm giving some people too much credit.
That's objective. The subject at hand is subjective.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:52 pm to Ebbandflow
Definitely flowing today.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:52 pm to Ebbandflow
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Gender is not specifically tied to the sex of something. Its a loosly related to the sex because it works off of the association and social norms tied to a specific sex.
It is that simple hombre. No matter how you try to spin it you are either born with XY or XX chromosomes ,and that is just a straight biological fact. There are only 2 genders no matter what your college professor, members of the LGBTQIAMNOPQRSTUV community, or your sick warped little brain tells you. A man can cut his penis off or a woman can add it or be less extreme and dress the part,but self mutilation or gender identity disorder is a mental disorder and not treating it as such is just being intellectually dishonest.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:53 pm to KiwiHead
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I suppose you will come back that there is something called a "female" brain as opposed to a "male" brain and you will cite some study in either Spain, England or the Netherlands that "supports" this view.
I read neuroscience articles on a daily basis and I have no clue what you're referring to.
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So yes, this is about making every day Halloween or Mardi Gras for people
Okay, buddy.Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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That's objective. The subject at hand is subjective.
Hence the need to understand the issue. The auditory hallucinations experienced by schizophrenic patients are, in a way, subjective but the need to treat and respond to them appropriately is still necessary. We need to understand just what about the brain makes individuals susceptible to gender dysphoria and saying things like "well if ya got a dick, yer a dude" does nothing to help the problem.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:58 pm to rbWarEagle
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I just find it absurd and ignorant to give zero thought to the subject and judge it so harshly.
Your pompous ignorance is showing again. You conclude that people who arrive at a different conclusion than you, have "given zero thought to the subject", because, presumably, if they had, they would certainly agree with you! Sad.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:59 pm to Ebbandflow
I always had an inkling you were mentally challenged as well, but you always did a decent job of hiding it.
Well, not today.
Well, not today.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:59 pm to rbWarEagle
Listen, your belief of subjective ideas (exactly what this is) will be more determined by the hard wiring of your personality than exposure to ideas. We're all programmed to see the world in contrasts or multiple shades. People rationalize and those who see sharp contrast will view it one way and you're not going to change that
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:59 pm to rbWarEagle
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We need to understand just what about the brain makes individuals susceptible to gender dysphoria
Wooo boy you'll trigger some proggies with this statement alone.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:00 pm to Ebbandflow
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So then you basically use it culturally? If so that means that the meaning of gender can change based on the society or culture appropriating it. So in that way gender is fluid as well. Thanks for playing
The meaning of gender in the common parlance is that it's biological sex and always has been. Now if you want to run off on a tangent of "A-HAH! I'm right and it is fluid!1111" then so be it, but conversationally you're missing the forest for the trees. Most people don't care to be nuanced enough to differentiate between sex and gender, thus your "fluidity" argument comes across as ridiculous.
We use terms like "he", "she", "hers", "his", etc. not to refer to someone's gender identity but to their biological sex. Outside of strictly academic circles (and now certain special interest groups) "gender" is defined solely as "sex".
Sex is not fluid but sex is what trans movement wants this to ultimately be all about. The squabble over the definition of "gender" is just a strawman, one that you've apparently bought into.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I don't necessarily disagree with you on that. Although I will say I'm not a big fan of the supposed rigid stability of personality over the lifetime. But that's a different thread.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:03 pm to Dale51
If you'd read the rest of the thread you'd find that Roger already made your point (more eloquently, by the way) and I conceded.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:05 pm to Centinel
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Wooo boy you'll trigger some proggies with this statement alone.
You say that as if I'd care.
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