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re: What is CISA And Why Should We Care?
Posted on 6/16/24 at 11:58 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/16/24 at 11:58 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:The entire premise of revolution in the Eastern Oblasts was based on that coup, as was the Crimean take over with subsequent (including under Zelensky) belligerence targeting Crimean civilians in response. Sans US actions in 2014, there is not a chance in hell the 2022 invasion happens.
The point from 1.5 years ago was that, even if you want to argue the US had a puppet installed in 2014, it's irrelevant to 2022 because Zelensky ousted that puppet.
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Posted on 6/16/24 at 11:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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So within that hypothetical, US influence started in 2014 and ended with Zelensky's election.
well then asking ukraine and zalensky to join nato, which was before the invasion.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:00 pm to NC_Tigah
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Sans US actions in 2014, there is not a chance in hell the 2022 invasion happens.
Sans Russia overplaying their hands in 2014, they still control Ukraine today without having to invade (the Russian way)
Russia would have had no need to artificially manufacture the disruptions in Eastern Ukraine
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:01 pm to dgnx6
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well then asking ukraine and zalensky to join nato, which was before the invasion.
NATO is irrelevant. The EU is the real fear. Hence why 2014 happened.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:What in the world are you talking about?
Sans Russia overplaying their hands in 2014
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So my point is proven. No state of emergency. No mandate. No martial law.
Thank you for finally admitting I have been right.
The only admission here is you are a disingenuous troll. You live in some alternate reality in which all the businesses shuttered in 2020 never happened.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:09 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
What in the world are you talking about?
Ukraine protests after Yanukovych EU deal rejection
quote:
Some 10,000 Demonstrators in Independence Square carried Ukrainian and EU flags late on Friday and chanted "Ukraine is Europe".
Mr Yanukovych, who attended an EU summit in Lithuania on Friday cited pressure from Russia for his decision.
A smaller rally in Kiev voiced support for the president's decision.
EU leaders meeting in the Lithuanian capital, Vilnius, warned on Friday they would not tolerate Russian interference in the bloc's relations with former Soviet republics.
"The times of limited sovereignty are over in Europe," said European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso after a summit in Lithuania, at which provisional accords were reached with Georgia and Moldova.
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Opposition leaders called for large-scale protests on Sunday in Independence Square - the epicentre of the 2004 Orange Revolution that forced a re-run of a disputed presidential election that had been won by Mr Yanukovych - and elsewhere.
"We will conduct massive protest actions in all of Ukraine. They must witness our strength," said Arseniy Yatsenyuk, an ally of Yulia Tymoshenko.
World boxing champion and prominent opposition figure Vitaly Klitschko told the crowd: "Today they stole our dream, our dream of living in a normal country."
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:14 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
The only admission here is you are a disingenuous troll.
When was martial law declared by CISA?
What mandates did CISA enforce?
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You live in some alternate reality in which all the businesses shuttered in 2020 never happened.
Due to a variety of governmental factors (at the state and federal level) that did not include CISA.
I'll ask again:
When was martial law declared by CISA?
What mandates did CISA enforce?
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:First off, I'd wager Yanukovych cited no such thing ... even if it occurred.
Mr Yanukovych, who attended an EU summit in Lithuania on Friday cited pressure from Russia for his decision.
Notwithstanding, Yanukovych was duly elected, in a far more independently observed, far less questioned election than the one which put Biden in office. Yet, the US aided (probably organised) a coup d'etat because we did not like Yanukovych's policies. Russia doesn't like Biden's policies. Should Russia organise a coup to oust potatobrain? Is that acceptable behavior?
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:27 pm to NC_Tigah
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Yet, the US aided (probably organised) a coup d'etat because we did not like Yanukovych's policies.
We may have had influence in the selection to replace Yanukovych, but that came well after the Maidan Revolution started organically and ousted him.
And, I have to say, again...it was due to the EU. Nobody gave a shite about NATO.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:You make this statement of "fact" with no reasonable evidence to back it up.
but that came well after the Maidan Revolution started organically and ousted him.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:... and again, as has been demonstrated time, after time, after time, you are dead wrong in that claim.
Nobody gave a shite about NATO.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:33 pm to NC_Tigah
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You make this statement of "fact" with no reasonable evidence to back it up.
That Maidan started organically by Ukrainians? And they ousted him?
That's the reporting of basically any legitimate, non-conspiratorial, non-Russian influenced outlet of note.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 1:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:So was "Hunter's laptop is Russian propaganda." So much so that Chris Wallace banned its mention in the Trump-Biden debate. Put another way, there is no "legitimate" outlet of note. That may be why you're so damned confused about NATO.
That's the reporting of basically any legitimate, non-conspiratorial, non-Russian influenced outlet of note.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 1:49 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
Trump is what he is: a firm believer in the power of the Leviathan State. I don’t think Trump’s most ardent supporters on this board would seriously argue Trump ever believed in reducing the size and scope of the Federal Government — and if they do, they are delusional.
No, Trump’s primary appeal was his argument that the reigning bipartisan elite in the Potomac Beltway repeatedly align against the best interests of the vast majority of American citizens. On that point, Trump was 100% on the mark.
That’s very well said.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 1:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So what is the problem? They gave guidance they were specifically mandated to do
SFP, I think you are off base with this. It is clear that every reference to critical infrastructure is in relation to cyber security. Does CISA have the mandate to determine which of our military assets are critical infrastructure? Surely not.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 5:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Due to a variety of governmental factors (at the state and federal level) that did not include CISA.
I'll ask again:
When was martial law declared by CISA?
What mandates did CISA enforce?
The CISA “guidelines” were the mandates.
Though masked behind the anodyne language of “guidelines” and “advisory” memorandums, our nation’s public health apparatus used a form of orchestrated buck-passing to in effect lockdown entire sectors of our nation’s economy.
Here is how it played out in real time in Alabama:
Local and municipal governments said they were determining which businesses were “essential industries” during the pandemic based on Alabama’s State Department of Health recommendations.
The ADH in turn said their determination on this matter was based on CDC recommendations.
The CDC in turn said their determination on this matter was based on CISA recommendations.
CISA in turn said their determination on this matter was based on recommendations by the Department of Homeland Security.
The DHS in turn said their recommendations on this matter was based on — wait for it! — their “collaboration with other federal agencies, State and local governments, and the private sector…”
It’s fricking turtles all the way down.
This is a textbook example of how the administrative state antiseptically imposes tyranny through bureaucratic dictates.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:00 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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The CISA “guidelines” were the mandates.
Literally not true.
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This is a textbook example of how the administrative state antiseptically imposes tyranny through bureaucratic dictates.
Did different states enact different Covid regulations?
If so, this disproves your point that this was a federal "mandate" entirely.
Did California have the same regulations as Alabama?
Did New York have the same regulations as Florida? Texas?
A federal mandate would have uniform regulations across all 50 states.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:12 pm to Toomer Deplorable
This is the organization that "Republican" Kim Wyman joined, giving the Democrats full control over every elected position in state government on the entire West Coast.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 6:32 pm to NC_Tigah
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What in the world are you talking about?
This entire thread is peak SFP: white-knighting for both our nation’s wholly corrupted public health apparatus AND our nation’s wholly corrupted foreign policy agenda. If SFP would defend the Federal Reserve’s money printing scheme we would have a winning trifecta!
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