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re: What does it look like when the USA goes bankrupt?
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:27 pm to Bard
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:27 pm to Bard
Before we can answer this, we have to understand what "goes bankrupt" really means.
The value of the USD is derived from three main functions:
1. Its position as the primary world reserve currency (over half of all goods traded internationally are exchanged for US Dollars).
2. The value of the USD's debt as an investment vehicle. US debt is among the most secure investments in the world because the federal government doesn't miss a payment (for now).
3. The petrodollar (which can be seen as an offshoot of Point 1, but it's enough for it to be its own point), which is the buying and selling of oil, refined petroleum (gasoline, diesel, etc) and LNG in USD's.
Think of the value of the USD as a tri-pod. If one leg fails, the whole thing falls.
So what might that look like?
The short version is that a dollar crash would be an economic civilization-level event for the entire world. For the US, it would be comparable in human impact to the fall of Rome or the Weimar hyperinflation, but on a much larger scale and faster timeline because of modern just-in-time supply chains and total dependence on imports. Most Americans’ standard of living would fall to early-20th-century or even 19th-century levels within a couple of years, but the problem is that we're not nearly as agrarian as we were back then. This means such an event would come with significant excess mortality from lack of medicine and food shortages which would lead to a quick increase in violence.
Short-term - In the first few weeks:
Inflation/hyper-inflation: This would look like imported goods (oil, electronics, clothing, pharmaceuticals, food staples like coffee, bananas, etc.) having immediate and extreme price increases as the dollar buys far less on global markets. Grocery prices could double or triple in weeks.
Banking: People rushing to withdraw cash or convert dollars to anything tangible (gold, crypto, foreign currency, canned goods) would cause banks to impose withdrawal limits; ATMs would run dry. Digital payment systems might freeze or become unreliable.
Investment/retirement: Dollar-denominated assets would plummet in real value. The stock market (priced in collapsing dollars) would fall.
Government benefits and pay for federal employees: Social Security checks, Medicare/Medicaid reimbursements, federal salaries, military pay, food stamps (SNAP), and unemployment benefits are all paid in Dollars. These programs would either become worthless or the government would be forced to print trillions more (worsening inflation).
Medium-term - Weeks to months:
Unemployment growth: Companies dependent on imports or dollar-based credit would fail en masse. Retail, manufacturing, transportation, and energy sectors would lay off millions. Unemployment would rapidly rise well into double-digits.
Supply-chain collapse leading to empty shelves: With importers unable to pay in credible currency, ports would empty out with the quickness. Basic goods (medicine, auto parts, fertilizer, semiconductors) would become scarce. Black markets and barter would explode in growth.
Mortgages and debt: Fixed-rate mortgage holders would technically benefit from inflation (they repay with cheaper dollars), but banks would fail or refuse to honor deposits. Adjustable-rate borrowers and anyone with dollar-denominated debt still outstanding would face exploding payments.
Evictions and homelessness surge: Landlords unable to pay property taxes, insurance, or their own mortgages would evict tenants en masse. Rent (now skyrocketing) would become unaffordable for most.
Crime and civil unrest: Expect widespread looting, riots, and violent crime as desperation sets in. National Guard and military deployments to cities would become common.
Long-term - After the first year:
Loss of global reserve status: Foreign nations would dump treasuries and dollars, which would send inflation into overdrive (if it wasn't already). The US would lose its exorbitant privilege of borrowing cheaply in its own currency.
Potential breakup of monetary union: States with large export economies (Texas, for example) or gold/silver reserves might push for state-level alternative currencies or even threaten secession. Regional currencies (something like a “CalExit peso” or “Texas dollar”) could emerge.
Wealth redistribution on steroids: Cash savings and fixed-income retirees would be wiped out. Debtors (especially the government itself) would be bailed out by inflation. Real asset owners (farmland, gold, Bitcoin, commodities) would become the new wealthy class.
Emigration wave: Millions of middle-class and skilled Americans would try to leave for countries with stable currencies (Canada, Switzerland, Singapore, UAE, etc.), though most countries would tighten immigration.
Authoritarian turn likely: In the face of chaos, Americans historically tolerate (and often demand) strong centralized power during crises. Expect martial law in some cities, capital controls, price controls, nationalization of industries, and possibly a forced switch to a new currency (digital dollar, “New Dollar” at 1000:1 conversion, etc.).
This is, of course, all speculation and there are LOTS of different ways this could go down but many of these things would be very possible.
I'll add in point the last point for you, DC gets over run, and anyone still there cut and hung in the streets. That's what'll happen.
The value of the USD is derived from three main functions:
1. Its position as the primary world reserve currency (over half of all goods traded internationally are exchanged for US Dollars).
2. The value of the USD's debt as an investment vehicle. US debt is among the most secure investments in the world because the federal government doesn't miss a payment (for now).
3. The petrodollar (which can be seen as an offshoot of Point 1, but it's enough for it to be its own point), which is the buying and selling of oil, refined petroleum (gasoline, diesel, etc) and LNG in USD's.
Think of the value of the USD as a tri-pod. If one leg fails, the whole thing falls.
So what might that look like?
The short version is that a dollar crash would be an economic civilization-level event for the entire world. For the US, it would be comparable in human impact to the fall of Rome or the Weimar hyperinflation, but on a much larger scale and faster timeline because of modern just-in-time supply chains and total dependence on imports. Most Americans’ standard of living would fall to early-20th-century or even 19th-century levels within a couple of years, but the problem is that we're not nearly as agrarian as we were back then. This means such an event would come with significant excess mortality from lack of medicine and food shortages which would lead to a quick increase in violence.
Short-term - In the first few weeks:
Inflation/hyper-inflation: This would look like imported goods (oil, electronics, clothing, pharmaceuticals, food staples like coffee, bananas, etc.) having immediate and extreme price increases as the dollar buys far less on global markets. Grocery prices could double or triple in weeks.
Banking: People rushing to withdraw cash or convert dollars to anything tangible (gold, crypto, foreign currency, canned goods) would cause banks to impose withdrawal limits; ATMs would run dry. Digital payment systems might freeze or become unreliable.
Investment/retirement: Dollar-denominated assets would plummet in real value. The stock market (priced in collapsing dollars) would fall.
Government benefits and pay for federal employees: Social Security checks, Medicare/Medicaid reimbursements, federal salaries, military pay, food stamps (SNAP), and unemployment benefits are all paid in Dollars. These programs would either become worthless or the government would be forced to print trillions more (worsening inflation).
Medium-term - Weeks to months:
Unemployment growth: Companies dependent on imports or dollar-based credit would fail en masse. Retail, manufacturing, transportation, and energy sectors would lay off millions. Unemployment would rapidly rise well into double-digits.
Supply-chain collapse leading to empty shelves: With importers unable to pay in credible currency, ports would empty out with the quickness. Basic goods (medicine, auto parts, fertilizer, semiconductors) would become scarce. Black markets and barter would explode in growth.
Mortgages and debt: Fixed-rate mortgage holders would technically benefit from inflation (they repay with cheaper dollars), but banks would fail or refuse to honor deposits. Adjustable-rate borrowers and anyone with dollar-denominated debt still outstanding would face exploding payments.
Evictions and homelessness surge: Landlords unable to pay property taxes, insurance, or their own mortgages would evict tenants en masse. Rent (now skyrocketing) would become unaffordable for most.
Crime and civil unrest: Expect widespread looting, riots, and violent crime as desperation sets in. National Guard and military deployments to cities would become common.
Long-term - After the first year:
Loss of global reserve status: Foreign nations would dump treasuries and dollars, which would send inflation into overdrive (if it wasn't already). The US would lose its exorbitant privilege of borrowing cheaply in its own currency.
Potential breakup of monetary union: States with large export economies (Texas, for example) or gold/silver reserves might push for state-level alternative currencies or even threaten secession. Regional currencies (something like a “CalExit peso” or “Texas dollar”) could emerge.
Wealth redistribution on steroids: Cash savings and fixed-income retirees would be wiped out. Debtors (especially the government itself) would be bailed out by inflation. Real asset owners (farmland, gold, Bitcoin, commodities) would become the new wealthy class.
Emigration wave: Millions of middle-class and skilled Americans would try to leave for countries with stable currencies (Canada, Switzerland, Singapore, UAE, etc.), though most countries would tighten immigration.
Authoritarian turn likely: In the face of chaos, Americans historically tolerate (and often demand) strong centralized power during crises. Expect martial law in some cities, capital controls, price controls, nationalization of industries, and possibly a forced switch to a new currency (digital dollar, “New Dollar” at 1000:1 conversion, etc.).
This is, of course, all speculation and there are LOTS of different ways this could go down but many of these things would be very possible.
I'll add in point the last point for you, DC gets over run, and anyone still there cut and hung in the streets. That's what'll happen.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:48 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
quote:
I'll add in point the last point for you, DC gets over run, and anyone still there cut and hung in the streets. That's what'll happen.
I think it could go one of two ways:
1. When it fails, Congress pulls in the military to guard them and turns DC (or at least the area containing the core federal buildings) into an armed base (taking some buildings and converting them to living areas for politicians and their families). In this scenario there would be a pushback by the citizenry, but eventually they would need to leave in order to find food.
2. Federal officials who have homes outside of DC flee to them ahead of riots, or to some self-sustaining military base. Rioting and looting reign supreme for a period, until (just like in Point 1) hunger becomes too strong a motivator and people leave to find food.
In such an environment, rural areas with good growing lands would be best for survival. Having seeds, weapons and some initial stores of food and medicine (until gardens could be harvested and preserves start being put up) would be critical and you simply aren't going to have enough of those on a per capita basis in high-density population centers.
At that point, we'll see how important pronouns are when Leftists are trying to hunt game with rainbow dildoes.
Posted on 11/24/25 at 10:07 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
Good Lawd!
I’m almost sorry I asked
But Thank you
I can store and grow food on 3 acres
Just need more defense mechanisms
Posted on 11/24/25 at 10:11 pm to Bard
quote:
In such an environment, rural areas with good growing lands would be best for survival. Having seeds, weapons and some initial stores of food and medicine (until gardens could be harvested and preserves start being put up) would be critical and you simply aren't going to have enough of those on a per capita basis in high-density population centers.
Thank you
I’m not prepared, but it wouldn’t take much to get there
Thank you for your advice
Posted on 11/24/25 at 10:22 pm to Rohan Gravy
quote:
Serious question
Elon said it’s inevitable
Serious answer: It depends on if we have inflation or deflation.
If we keep inflating the money supply as has been the policy for the past 50+ years, then eventually the dollar will become worthless and it will start to cost $100 to buy a pack of gum. That will continue and continue until basically the people have had enough.
The opposite of that is all loans and such stop being created and money generation stops. AKA deflation. That will be like the Great Depression. There will be demand, there will be resources available to make things, people who want to work, but there won't be enough money in circulation for the trades to occur, or to invest in things etc.
The best case is people start to realize our entire monetary system is giant scam and we are all economic slaves. They should ask who is so rich they can loan every country in the world so much money and debt. They should ask where does this money actually get it's value from(the existing currency) and why do they owe that money back(with interest) when the value was taken from the people who supposedly owe the debt.
And that would maybe lead to an honest monetary system instead of the current systems of debt based slavery of which people use to falsely accuse capitalism to be bad a result of - when in reality central banks are a basic tenant of marxism. All these government programs and control can not exist without it.
End the Federal Reserve ASAP and restore the monetary system in the constitution.

This post was edited on 11/24/25 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 11/25/25 at 5:09 am to TrueTiger
The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:36 am to Rohan Gravy
What’s crazy is the majority of our debt is not foreign…it’s debt to ourselves
Posted on 11/25/25 at 6:50 am to captainFid
When? It has been bankrupt for decades.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 7:10 am to Rohan Gravy
Prior to the creation of the Federal Reserve the US would experience an economic panic just about every seven years.
Read about the Silver Bugs of 1896, Free Silver, and a Cross of Gold.
Read about the Silver Bugs of 1896, Free Silver, and a Cross of Gold.
Posted on 11/25/25 at 7:11 am to Rip Torn
quote:
We would need a good World War to truly recover and thin out the population
No money and no medical care will thin out the population quickly.
The number of people living past age 60 would drop like a rock, no war needed.
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